Honorarium Auditor Rejected Class

For the record, this is one of the rejected classes so that everybody can read and decide for yourself.

https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/12708

Same as “Too simple” as being a reason for the rejection? Perhaps the tool used is for auditing is too simple to provide detailed reasons for the rejection too. :expressionless:

I would’ve rejected it too.

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There are so many honorarium threads going that I’m not sure where this even approaches relevancy, but I started trolling the “archives” (necroTALKfiles), since everything people get their panties in a wad about seems to have taken place previously. Found some interesting stuff:

https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/bod-agenda-3-23-2018-correct-posted-rule-for-minimum-class-size-for-honorarium/33534

https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/bod-agenda-item-11-19-2017-honorarium-spending-limit/29085

https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/is-it-time-for-the-honorarium-system-to-be-scaled-down-out/29132

https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/would-you-still-teach-if-honorariums-went-away/29138

https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/rough-draft-of-honorarium-rules/13956/39

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Those are the scanners AutoZone uses when you come to them with a check engine light. They print out a receipt with the code(s) and the name of the failure. If you had one at home you plug it in, get the code(s), then google what they mean. They also clear the check engine light although obviously that will come back if you don’t fix the problem. Unless I’m thinking of a different type of scanner than the one listed in the rejected class…

Attempting at levity, how fast before I get “talked to”?

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We have rules against harassment. If someone is a complete knob to an auditor, the best punishment is to ban them from teaching for 1-12 months.

Meanwhile, auditors are hidden from any checks and balances. That transparency thing.

That’s not true.

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Unknown auditor fails a class. Who was it and why did they decide that?

Appeal to the BOD. Board has to meet and rehash the issue. That will not be a fast decision.

ALMOST unappealable.

FYI. You know how many times the 2018 BOD talked about appeals about classes? Easy to remember. Zero (0)

Was someone a complete knob to a teacher in 2018 enough to generate an appeal to the BoD?

I do not remember there ever being an appeal to the BOD.

Did anyone actually appeal it? The onus is on the teacher at that point to appeal it. No one us going to do it for them.

No one was mad or annoyed enough to appeal in 2018. Kris might have heard more. I did not.

I do think Lance has a case.

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Check/balance 1: HAs discuss potential rejects internally all the time. BoD and/or broader membership never even hear about it (as it should be).

Check/balance 2: BoD and several others have visibility into HA pending and reject queue for oversight purposes.

Check/balance 3: Appeal to BoD. Doesn’t matter if no one avails themselves of it, it is still there. And the low/no number of appeals just tells me the HAs have a good eye.

Check/balance 4-ish: while informal, this whole thread, and the others, serves as a check/balance. My guess is that real change will likely be resulting from it all.

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While a member can appeal to the BOD. The member really has no way to research who blocked the class and why to build an argument for why their class should be allowed. I wish our class auditors and Talk moderators had a channel on talk that was visible to the general membership. That way members could understand the actions taken. At the same time, members would also see when actions are taken by an individual or as a concerted effort from the group.

The fear of being harassed has left a void in accountability by these groups. When you run a foul of either group, we tell members they have options for recourse. But the options feel like you are going into a bad police station to ask to file a complaint against an officer.

Here is a video to better elaborate on this point.

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Oh please, our bod isn’t at all like that. There are very legitimate reasons we don’t have public talk channels about moderation and it starts and ends with your privacy. A good manager doesn’t discipline someone in front of the team, they do it behind closed doors and keeps it private.

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the ‘why’ is part of the rejection notice.

How is a rejection notice saying this “Doesn’t meet honorarium guidelines” of help? I’m going off what I have heard. Many times they aren’t much help. There needs to be a way to go back and forth with the HAs and the person submitting the class. It needs to be able to be corrected and then un-rejected. They also need to know their options in the rejection notice.

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