Alcohol → Accidents = Liability
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In a limited experiment, being tired was more dangerous than Alcohol.
http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/about-this-show/tired-vs-drunk-driving/
Time to institute checks at the front door for fatigue!
Now, back to our sane universe where people are more reasonable…
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that covers just about EVERY work area in the space with or without alcohol.
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As a friend of people in recovery I appreciate if its not a trigger - dont leave cans out, limit the smellables.
As a parent I say leave the beer in the fridge. Its a good reminder for me to keep an eye on my kid.
At the Space 99.9% of the people are great. But then there is the clown who steals stuff, and someone else who forgot to flush. There is probably a bad news person somewhere in the mix. So, having a beer in the fridge serves as a warning label of sorts.
Bad stuff is everywhere and banning may not really help. My guess is that a kid could sneak one, but would get busted after a few. The fact that this thread has so many posts is a good sign that it would not be tolerated very well. As far as deadly stuff goes, the paint locker is full of intoxicants already.
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So I didn’t go back through the whole thread to see if someone mentioned this, but couldn’t we have an alcohol ONLY fridge with restricted access that can only be used by members over 21? The policy would be "Alcohol must either be in the locked alcohol fridge or constantly under the supervision of an adult. If a minor somehow accessed alcohol, he would have either had to steal a badge (which leaves the fault with him), gained access to the fridge from an adult (in which case the fault is mostly with the adult), or stolen it from an adult who left the alcohol unsupervised (in which case the fault lies with both parties).
If an adult requests we could also lock him or her out (if alcohol is a trigger for the person).
Wanderson’s post is what got me thinking about this…
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I don’t see a need for any sort of controls of that nature. Underage drinking at DMS simply isn’t a problem, and doesn’t need to be made into one by peoples imaginations and feelings.
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I’m just suggesting a solution that can placate all parties, I honestly have never seen a minor imbibe at DMS, I don’t think most of the kids that hang out there are there because they like to party.
But seeing as it’s been a pretty popular topic and I’m an ICR Engineer, it’s my solution to the issue…
whether or not it is an issue.
I’m against placating “nanny state” style rule makers who make up rules according to imagined “problems”.
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Agreed. Minors should be supervised by parental units, and 18-20 year olds accept the consequences as adults if they transgress. Done.
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Corry - what the Space needs is an engineer that can engineer some (uncommon) common sense around the space instead of more “access controls” as knee jerk “solutions” to problems that do not exist as Stan stated above.
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Don’t be so dramatic, it’s simply a suggestion to prevent the absolute ban of alcohol.
If everyone decides it’s a non-issue then nothing needs to be done… OBVIOUSLY.
Seeing as my expertise is in Controls, I’ll leave the “Engineering of (uncommon) common sense” to you TLAR.
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If you were in the member meeting last week - you would have seen how it was in fact a none issue.
I’m not an engineer therefore I do possess common sense
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It was the time of the French revolution, and a doctor, a lawyer, and an engineer had been found guilty of crimes against the people. The three of them were sentenced to execution at the guillotine.
The lawyer was sent to the block, and the executioner asked: “Monsieur, as a man of honor you have a choice of taking your fate face up, or face down. What is your choice?”
The lawyer answered: “I take my fate face up”, and the executioner released the blade of the guillotine. The blade fell and fell and fell, and at the last moment it jammed. “Sir”, said the executioner, “The guillotine has failed, so according to the laws of our republic you are free to go.”
The doctor went to the block, and met the same fate. The blade jammed and according to the laws of our republic he also was let go.
Then it was the engineers turn. He was given the choice of face up, or face down. He chose to meet his fate face up. The executioner was preparing to pull the cord, and the engineer stopped him and commented “Wait, I think I see what your problem is…”
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Getting back on topic…
My response to Brook’s Booze Cruise is: Board of Directors Meeting 20160626 - Dallas Makerspace
My current solution is: “Solution: If something is already illegal, then we don’t need a rule against it. The BoD shouldn’t be making unnecessary rules based on “feelings” rather than facts.”
Unfortunately that isn’t really a rule, or even a resolution that the BoD can adopt. I would love some help in massaging that sentiment into a rule that the BoD could install to prevent the increasing number of proposed restrictions on the entire membership to make a few people feel better. I’ve been scratching my head over this for a couple of weeks and haven’t come up with a good solution.
Please help me come up with a better “Solution:”
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I assumed the other members would not enjoy listening my 2yr-old fuss while people tried to speak.
“Nanny states” and “knee-jerk ‘solutions,’” aside, if it’s a non-issue then, there’s no need for changes.
So, are we still allowed to bring a 6 pack to the space?
I don’t see a problem with that, assuming you are a responsible adult of drinking age. 
Legal drinking age is not the issue here. Liability and risk mitigation is the issue at hand. You are not be allowed to drink at work in a production setting, not because you don’t qualify of legal drinking age, but such a policy would expose the business to unnecessary risk. Some of us value this corporate entity to which we belong. As members we are not commissioned to act as individuals making up the rules as best we see fit in our own interest, but to advocate for the corporation, its best interest through policies that further its preservation and growth.
Tort standard/duty of care, LexisNexis
Duty of Care of Occupiers
This practice note discusses the duty of care owing by an occupier to persons on their premises. The Occupiers Liability Act requires an occupier to take all reasonable care to ensure that a person and their premises are safe from reasonably foreseeable injuries. As long as the defendant meets the definition of occupier and the accident occurred on their premises, a prima facie duty of care is owed to the visitor — Slater Vecchio LLP.
Standard of Care of Occupiers
This practice note discusses the standard of care under the Occupiers Liability Act and the common law of negligence, which is to take reasonable care in all of the circumstances to see that a person on the premises is reasonably safe in using the premises. This note lists some factors that the courts take into account in determining whether the standard was breached — Slater Vecchio LLP.
Duty of Care Owed by Commercial Hosts
This practice note discusses that a duty of care is owed by commercial establishments to persons who sustain injuries caused by a person who consumed liquor and became intoxicated at the establishment. Such duty is owed under the Occupiers Liability Act, and the common law and is limited to persons who could reasonably be expected to be harmed by a commercial host’s negligent act or omission — Slater Vecchio LLP.
Welp, that’s it guys, no more tools at DMS, just padded rooms. I’ll be hanging out in the beige one if anybody wants to have a non-confrontational hug out.
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I’ll be hanging out in the beige one if anybody wants to have a non-confrontational hug out.
LMFAO! :lol: