Thanks Walter!
I didn’t know it was special request. Not available digitally ? That is amazing in this digital world.
I’m not concerned with the law in this case - open records to the insurance policy should be a “given” on such a hot topic, to eliminate any rumours, etc.
@zmetzing I can come up at a time when it is convenient to you just let me know when you would have time.
It isn’t so much a ‘special request’ as a way to let one of our volunteers know that someone wishes to view the documents. While much of the world is digital, contracts tend to be on paper (to prevent people from modifying them) and I am guessing that some volunteer would need to scan the policy in order to make it digital.
It’s also been said that it might be in the space’s best interest NOT to post the insurance docs publicly, as someone who is fishing for a lawsuit (i.e. “slip and fall” crap) could use it to determine the best way to exploit us for money.
Very good point Mr. LeCody!
here’s another discussion about it:
What ever happened to that @AbelRamirez guy, anyway?
“Someone” HAS said you need to be certified, though I think you meant “applicable to April 28, 2016”.
And i do not think I am alone in disagreeing with this assertion about “their” happiness for “someone to teach classes”, unless you mean in a classroom with notes and figures. “They” most certainly discourage pulling cars in and working on them “as a class”, and, unless the instructor is using a vehicle (s)he owns, is forbidden therefrom.
I’m curious to see how the “replacing a head gasket on a GM 3100” class on May 3rd, 2016, does…
If I’m around and you want to leaf through the insurance binder, let me know and I will retrieve it for you.
Thanks, but I’m not that interested, and this thread has gone off into the weeds from where my original question was going: “Can a committee assess an authorization fee for their tools, irrespective of who gives the training or whether the tool was donated?”
While I don’t see any clear answer in the rules, the general consensus here seems to be “Yes”.
That answer is “yes” - why not? most tools / equipment need maintenance / consumables from time to time.
Somebody update the rules to explicitly state “yes you can”! 
Not sure how it gets so confusing. Committee chairs set the usage fees. This usage fee is a one time fee that is tracked with tracking the class. Why would it be viewed as different than any other chair setting a usage fee?
Put it on the agenda for an upcoming Member Meeting for a vote… 
(That is actually how the general rules get changed… Committees can make their own committeee/tool/material specific rules though…)
It doesn’t merit discussion in that form in the meeting in my opinion. There’s no concise objective. It’s just a bunch of questions which I feel like are better addressed here.
From my perspective here are some answers.
Do committee chairs set rules for training and fees?
Yes.
If a committee asks for a fee for training on a tool, can somebody offer training for free?
It’s up to the committee chairperson.
… Does this give the trainees authorization to use the tool?
It’s up to the committee chairperson.
Does the new Maker Manager indicate who’s authorized to provide training?
No.
Can somebody charge for a class normally offered for free?
It’s up to the committee chairperson and the classroom committee (since they approve or reject scheduled events).
Can somebody from another committee provide training?
It’s up to the committee chairperson.
… Are the fees from the original committee still requested?
It’s up to the committee chairperson.
… Which committee gets the money?
It’s up to the committee chairperson (assuming we’re not taking into account honorarium).
How early do they need to announce the class if charging a fee?
There are no restrictions on timing except for honorarium.
Does insurance allow non-SAE people teach automotive classes?
Insurance doesn’t discuss automotive classes at all as far as I know but we’ve been advised to not teach automotive classes in the past.
So…
It is up to the committee chairperson for most of the questions…
Pretty straight forward there!
Thanks for that clarification.
I agree with you on everything else, but IMHO the answer to this is Yes. You can charge a fee for anything you want; giving a tour, for instance.
I think the confusion on that question is if the trained people are “certified” after the class. The answer is, only if the person teaching the class was authorized by the committee/chair to be a trainer.
I’ll concede that point.
I definitely think committees should decide how/what members can/can’t do with their tools and training. Are we sure there aren’t any safety or insurance/legal reasons compelling members to seek training from only qualified/approved people? Any space-wide issues there? It sounds like no, but who can say for sure?
As for charging a fee and who gets paid, I think that’s settled. Anyone can charge whatever they want for training of any form for any group - one they’re an active part of or otherwise.