Resignation of Woodshop Chairman

First I have to say that Mike and Mark have done alot for woodshop. The countless hours put in and volunteering has greatly impacted the woodshop positively. They are both great guys doing the best they can in the most trafficked area of makerspace.

I started membership after my wife found the space 3 to 4 years ago. I was too busy with work to do much with it but she took alot of classes. She told me Mark’s woodshop basics courses were hands down one of the top quality classes taught by anyone. She is a teacher (as a profession) and took alot of classes at makerspace so this is saying something.

I remember how active the space was and how many classes there were. The space from my view was great, but I didn’t have the necessary time to get into the woodshop.

Around the time the expansion starting going money for the space seemed to become a problem. The leadership who seemed to promote a fairly great environment for the space honestly to me seemed ill prepared for the financial issues a expansion requires. I am not trying to knock the board as I know volunteer positions like this for no pay that require this many hours are hard. To expect a volunteer that is into craftmaking to run an expansion that would truly need an experienced business person to deal with is expecting to much. Most people I know who have never had experience with large contracting projects get screwed over by the contractors in some way or the other the first time.

With the space financially in crisis and being too busy with life me and my wife let the membership go a while.

I started finding time for my hobby of ukulele building a few months later and was in need of larger tools to process lumber down. I had all the smaller tools but nothing large. I started membership back up in August last year and found the space very different.

The new board had taken over in a time of crisis and did the best they could with what they were given. With the class system newly changed I was worried I wouldn’t get the woodshop basics course in quick, but managed some how.

The breadboard class was taught by Mike that I took and was about 5 hours + I think in total. I learned alot even with a decent amount of experience with wood working. To expect a new wood worker to be able to do a project on their own without help would be crazy, but this is not a knock against Mike and Mark. They volunteer countless hours and new people really should find one of the many other experienced members to help them with tasks.

Wood working is a very popular hobby. It makes sense why it is so heavily trafficked by new and existing members. The machines are big, expensive, and dangerous. We don’t have the current amount of volunteers needed to properly police it as needed.

The new board to me comes off overly hostile to the woodshop leadership. I ended up finding some of the last essential tools needed for my ukulele building on craigslist very recently and decided since the woodshop was being so heavily stifled from the new board to not renew my membership in March.

I understand that money is tight, but Mark and Mike are volunteers. The board is treating them like paid employees that should somehow manage a task too big for them alone. The needed volunteers will not step up knowing they will get the same horrible treatment. Therefore the task will stay too big and then inevitably what leadership there is will burn out. I saw a resignation from the woodshop leadership a mile away.

I applaud Mike for all his time and effort. He was greatly under appreciated. Mark is also immensely under appreciated. If we lose Mark too I think woodshop is going to be a storage room of mostly broken tools and a waste of space for many months until the board figures stuff out.

Money is tight yes. The expansion taxed the space and it will probably take years to recover. I really hope things work themselves out and Dallas makerspace has more glory days in the future.

The new board faces alot of problems, but please be patient with volunteers doing their best. A few months ago I wanted to start being more involved with woodshop beyond my own making, but after seeing more and more hostility from the board I decided I wasn’t going to volunteer just to put myself through a bad time.

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@Jasonw50, thank you for creating a respectful, comprehensive response. I am sorry you are ending your membership.

DMS has a rule and guiding principle of “Be Excellent to each other.”

Here is what happens when that rule isn’t followed.

There is a direct line from behavior of leadership to how people feel about volunteering or keeping up their memberships.

If (Edit: Some, not all, individual members of) leadership want to treat volunteers like employees, we might as well hire some, starting with a shop steward — because otherwise, Jason is right. A storage room of broken tools is likely to follow.

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I am sure they have tight budget strains and have to make hard choices. A steward might be possible in the future but for now I bet it isn’t. The bylaws probably don’t allow it though along with budget.

I am not trying to throw the current board under a bus. Don’t shoot the people averting disaster. I just feel there is a massive lack of respect. Probably some on both sides, but some people way more than others. On talk @lampy seems to be the most involved and mostly respectful board member. Posts from others board members, typically aimed at Mark, are very rude and completely miss the value added in the past by all the classes taught in the past. I am sure Mark can seem demanding at times, but he is just trying to keep the shop running.

I haven’t seen Mike get political on talk so I don’t know how much flack he gets.

I have been on an HOA board before. Understanding on both sides goes a long way. All fighting does is create a mess and make it bigger.

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Thank you, I try to do my best in a hard situation. Being a committee chair is extremely difficult and a thankless job, no doubt! You have members wanting things a certain way and then you have pressure from the board to run things in a way that keeps us legal, safe and connecting all the governmental dots.

I appreciate Mike a lot, he took over the position of chair when woodshop was at a tough crossroads. It was coping with crazy levels of activity, influx of tools and the dust collector problems. Together with other volunteers he made the best of the situation. Burnout and being tired of putting up with the demands would make anyone need a break! Unfortunately woodshop is pretty much the last committee to expand and their challenges will continue until they get to their new location. Let’s help a new chair continue to build on their direction.

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Mike, I truly sorry to hear this. I’ve learned quite a lot from you over the last year. I hope you will continue to be active in the shop with your experience and knowledge.

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I would like to thank Mike for his service to DMS. This gentleman has touched a lot of people with his skills, kindness and humor. It’s been such a pleasure to get to know you Mike and your lovely wife. I’m very embarrassed by the way you have been treated and I really hope the board can bother themselves to look into the nasty message you were sent. Ive put a lot of time and energy into DMS as a volunteer, teacher, director and past president. And I can truly say that you are one of the best that’s been a part of this place. You have now and always, my deep appreciation.

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@Jasonw50 thank you for pointing out my broad use of the word “leadership.” I have edited my post to reflect that some, not all, members of leadership are engaging in this damaging bullying.

In the interest of intentionally not naming anyone, I see that people who didn’t treat people poorly were inadvertantly included in my post. I apologize to those people.

It’s not about politics for me. I have a strong belief that people should be talked to and treated properly.

I genuinely don’t understand why some people in authority positions at DMS continue to bully members, and no action is taken. It’s distressing.

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Mike sad to see you step down I enjoyed working with you.

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@shoottx I really appreciate the work you did and the amount of ownership you took of the down tools and actions to bring them back up. I am sorry to see you step down, but thank you for your time and efforts while running the shop.

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Thank you @shoottx for your help in woodshop. It is a very difficult position to fill in our group. I heard through the grapevine that we have another member in the wings to keep the committee going without a large down time. So thanks to whoever that is as well.

As for the issue with the individual in leadership and their behavior. If you want that to change, please submit a formal complaint outlining times and conversation you had that you found inappropriate to [email protected]. This is the only way that the BOD would take action against this individual. Also as the issue is likely based on how this individual treats the membership, you would be smart to reach out to others that have had the same or similar issues to also file complaints, that would prove that it isn’t just a single problem, but a wider issue which effects the population of DMS. Mike, if you contact me via PM and your issue is with the same member of leadership as mine, I would also be willing to submit a formal complaint with you. As I have an unresolved interaction with a key member of leadership as well, that has been treated in the past as just a one off issue, rather than the pattern of actions I’ve seen applied to other members.

It is very tough when large contributors to DMS are caught in interpersonal issues, especially when it feels like one side seems to be empowered by the BOD to be their Bull Dog while leaving them plausible deniability. Given the way these things happen, it is easy to let them grow and fester. But, we do need to think on how we resolve this. I wouldn’t want to ban a large contributor just for the bad behavior. I would hope we could forgive, alter behavior and move on. But, the behavior needs to change.

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Sorry to hear that, you are a valued member and great contributor.

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I appreciate you! Any chance of changing your mind?

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Thank you Mike and Mark! Please do not get discouraged by criticism from above. Those of us down in the trenches appreciate you both very much!
NkeMikey

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Hrm, so I’m just some new guy, but isn’t the wood shop one of the absolute busiest places in DMS? If the concern is the commusamble rate I don’t see how that’s an issue.

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It’s absolutely busy, but the breakage has increased while overall usage has not increased at nearly the same rate. There are a few charts and graphs floating around these threads that show membership trends and indicate why it’s unusual that breakage increased so much.

As i said on the post announcing Paul as the replacement, i do appreciate Mike’s work as chair. It’s a thankless job and he inherited decisions made by the chairs before him.

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Thanks for the many kind comments.

Please do not ascribe motives for my resignation without a discussion with me.

This thread has gone off the original intent.

@Team_Moderators please close

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