Because we serve the membership at DMS and they use those materials. Personally, when I use the planer, jointer or any of the tools in the woodshop in a manner I intend to be fine wood working, I plan on having the time to fix, clean, and adjust the tools for that project. Just how things are if you want access in a mixed use facility like ours.
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If i wanted to machine granite or depleted uranium in the machine shop should they let me? If I wanted to save money by using string trimmer line in 3D printers should they let me?. Can i sew sandpaper?
Woodshop seems like the wild west anything goes. On my personal planer and jointer I’ve never run reclaimed wood because the risk of damage is too high. If we had dedicated machines for substandard wood and didn’t care about surface finish and there was a fee to cover the high consumable and damage cost then reclaimed would be acceptable.
Its likely that a very small number of users are causing the majority of the damage and unfortunately they may not have the interest or skills to repair the damage, but the rest of us pay for it in repair cost and machine downtime.
I admire the committee chairs and skilled members who pay dues like the rest of us but are expected to fix all the damage caused by the unskilled and those that lack common sense. There should be an honorarium for repairing a machine and a requirement to have 3 or more unskilled involved in the repair. You can’t fix it unless it involves teaching someone new the skills they need
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@rlisbona I see some value in having a separate planer and jointer for reclaimed or “subpar” wood. But, you state that it is a very small group likely doing this, which would suggest not enough use to maintain another set of tool. Secondly, we have easily and inexpensively replaceable blades in both the jointer and planer for these exact issues.
Nice BS arguements.
DMS’ planer and jointer are not your personal tools.
Another bad argument, we are not charging any member directly for planer and jointer use. So, not only is the purchase of the tool shared equally by all members so is the cost of repair. These are not personal tools.
I admire their help as well. But, none of them are required to do anything. These are all volunteer positions. Volunteering in order to be paid is no longer volunteering, it is a job.
We muddied these waters well enough with honorariums, when we called, claiming an honorarium volunteering to teach. It wasn’t volunteering it was accepting a job to teach at DMS. When the value structure of honorarium was not in DMS’ best interest, there were cuts to the program. Think of it as a layoff. After those layoffs, not only did paid classes drop. Many of the people volunteering and teaching free classes also stopped. This was because the people working a job for DMS were claiming DMS was Attacking volunteers, when they were only down sizing DMS jobs.
Well I certainly didn’t mean to start any arguments here…I just wanted someone besides me to know there might be something wrong with the planer.
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hooboy.
- [stricken from the record. For original text, see post #19]
- depleted uranium is not allowed for multiple reasons, beyond being HEAVILY restricted in its sale and use
- the printers are specifically only usable by specific diameters and materials that have specific properties. So if you somehow found stringline trimmer cord that was 1.75mm and made of ABS, then yes, you could probably use it. Not sure if @maxk68 would allow it since you couldn’t guarantee it’s purity, but that’s another issue
- you can’t sew sandpaper successfully, i have tried (i attempted to make a sander belt when i was 13, did not work)
So what you have here is somehow both a false equivalency and a slippery slope. I appreciate what you are trying to say with your arguments, but the examples you are using are bad enough that they make your whole argument look bad. And more to the point, unless the members are using verboten materials (metal, stone, epoxy?, plastics), or are using it in a way that damages the machine (too much per cut, improperly securing the piece, not removing ALL of the nails and metal) then there is no reason to ban members for using different types of wood on the machines. ESPECIALLY when, for a lot of members, that kind of wood is all that they can afford.
As it was explained to me, the honorarium was intended to help the teachers pay for materials in their classes. That is what I used it for in the classes, and the majority of people that I’ve talked to have used it for (yes, i know that this is anecdotal evidence). And when the current board restructured the honorarium system, the net result was that classes as a whole dropped off. Most crucially, the classes for basic tool use. Call it a job, call it reimbursement for materials, call it a donation to volunteers, whatever it actually was, the honorarium was an incentive to people. Yes there were people who were abusing it, but that doesn’t mean that we should throw the baby out with the bath water. [to continue this discussion, please continue it in this thread https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/honorarium-discussion/68278 so that we don’t clog up the planer discussion]
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welcome to Talk buddy. There can be arguments over ANY and EVERYTHING; there’s a thread buried in here somewhere, about the proper way to put a toilet paper roll on the rack
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Nope. I cant allow it. If one person sees another person machining granite, the flood gates are open. The risk to the machines are too great to justify it.
Ive been asked before & subsequently declined it. It sucks because its was for a good cause that I believe in, but I cannot allow it.
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Oh, well in that case I will cross it off of the list. That ONE argument is valid.
To clarify my poor examples. With only one jointer and one planer the risk of damage caused by anything other than presurfaced lumber or roughsawn lumber is too high, i wouldn’t do it at home, we shouldn’t expect to process substandard material in woodshop.
Or I suppose we shouldn’t be surprised that cutterheads get damaged with existing lax rules.
Teachers have always been able to request the Committee to purchase, in Advance, with committee funds, required class materials.
This is actually preferred becuase becuase there are receipts for the materials, DMS owns all of it, and there is never an issue of whether the instructor is “making a profit on it.” Do not want this to hare off into another discussion. Just be aware, if you want to avoid out-of-pocket expenses it can be done.
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I was actually unaware of that option. is there some way that we could make this known to others? That was my biggest hurdle in not teaching more classes: not enough personal funds to buy materials. I am trying to put up a class on the Calendar for basic furniture making (right now I only have 3 planned: a ladderback chair, a small end table, and a midsize bookshelf. there might be more in the future if people like it and want different kinds of furniture) that could take people through all of the woodshop tools. If I could get funds for materials (the chair only needs a pair of 2x4’s, wood glue, and some nails for each student), then I could teach it regularly and make it a woodshop basics class, and take some of the strain of of @Mrksls2
If i can get materials, then i might also try to bring back Wooden Sword Making classes, also as a Woodshop Basics
Is that translated as: YOU or ME?
that was the General DMS ‘we’. Mostly the BOD, or whomever is in charge of organizing classes
I find disinformation has a practically magical way of propagating at unfathomable speeds.
Case in point, for some reason, someone somewhere started the rumor that Honorarium was to be used to pay for materials for classes. This has continued to propagate despite any effort to stamp it out, yet has never been the case. As a recipient of the short end of this, I put it back to you: what could have been done to dispel this myth? This misinformation?
The honorarium is now, and has always been, a token “thank you for teaching”. Yet the rumors persist otherwise.
Shout it from the rooftops. Perhaps this time it will be heard…
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or, we could make it so that the honorarium IS meant to be used for that. Is there some issue with it being used that way? Please continue this discussion here [https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/honorarium-discussion/68278] so that we don’t clog up this thread
Certainly not.
It is YOUR money.
Do with it what you will.
Just don’t winge on about how you NEED that honorarium or you can’t teach because you can’t get materials.
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Translation: The other than me? 
I personally wouldn’t know where to gather all the rules that relate to classes, events, honorariums, charging for materials, charging for the class (instructor fees), priority on facilities, what is allowed, permitted materials, calendar interface, external interfaces (Meetup, FB), Auditors, etc.
It is really and incredible complies process when everything is considered and accounted for.
There’s already a “don’t run crap thru the machines” rule (or at least there was when I took Woodshop basics in 2016) and you see how well it’s followed. The moment the “crappy wood” tools are occupied, the next user with “crappy wood” will do what they do already. Which will result in TWO damaged jointers and TWO damaged planers. Double the pleasure, double the fun!
The planner is or was working flawlessly this morning at 6:30 AM. Last night about 1:00 AM when attempting to work on one of my personal projects, I found the problems the planner. So… each and every one of the cutters was removed, cleaned, their seat cleaned and then remounted.
And finally, at 6:30 I was able to plane my project.
@Team_Moderators Please close this thread
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