Discussion from Proposed DMS COVID-19 policy

My how times have changed, when I was in the military (olden days) we were just loaded on trucks and taken to be vaccinated. It was part of unit readiness and deployability. IF you got asked: Left or Right arm?

Heck, getting a really bad avoidable sunburn that limited your duty - could get you an Article 15 for recklessly rendering yourself unfit for duty thereby degrading unit readiness. Basically, harming govt property.

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Incorrect. From the CDC:

"Currently, three vaccines are authorized and recommended in the United States to prevent COVID-19:

  • Pfizer-BioNTech
  • Moderna
  • Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen"

They are only emergency authorized. Not fully approved, yet.

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Sorry, I meant to say FDA, not CDC. Emergency authorization doesn’t change their experimental status.

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You got to choose which arm? Army, 1982 I got two shots in one and three in the other.

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If it’s a conversation with someone we know well, then yes. If not, we should consider it a private matter,

Exactly, but I don’t think people need to be told.

But if you’ve got your shot, don’t worry about it. Remember, everyone who hasn’t got the shot is in the same boat. We don’t need to worry about them. They made the decision not to get vaccinated for whatever reason and that shouldn’t concern the ones who have,

If others have been vaccinated, they’ve got nothing to worry about. People who have chosen not to get the vaccine, for what ever reason, are the ones who need to be concerned about getting the virus. Get the shots and don’t worry about it. It’s really not a concern.

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Some of them had no decision, and couldn’t get the vaccine. You could argue that maybe someone with an immune system that fragile should probably not be at an indoor work space in close quarters with others. But to assume everyone who didn’t get the shot didn’t want the shot is an overstatement, and a bit arrogant, and probably not excellent to others.

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The vaccine is widely available today. People who are not able to get it should take precautions. It’s not realistic to ask and expect everyone to completely alter their lives for the very few who are not able to take the vaccine. We could make the exact same argument for influenza but we never have. I understand that Covid is more lethal than influenza but it’s not the illness that it was in the early stages of this pandemic. I’m afraid the early NYC vicinity experience really did a number on our heads. We have learned a great deal about how and how not to treat this virus and death rates have plummeted in every age group. First impressions have shaped our fear of Covid, I’m afraid.
I totally understand that we all know someone who has not had a good outcome. I don’t want to minimize human loss.

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I hate to play both sides, but some people are on drugs that make the vaccines far less effective. Methotrexate is apparently surprisingly common, and results in a markedly reduced vaccine response. And while the specific drugs weren’t mentioned, apparently live studies of organ transplant patients, who are usually on very strong immunosuppressive drugs, the vaccine only results in about a 1/3 reduction in real world transmission.

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Separately, I’m waiting for any data on how PDE 4 inhibitors affect this vaccine efficiency, to have a better idea how protected my wife may be.

This study suggests that rheumatoid arthritis patients using methotrexate should suspend dosing for 1 week after their mRNA vaccinations, to allow their defense system to respond normally to the vaccine, thus building a proper posture.

There is an alternative regimen. Hydroxychloroquine has proven effective in immuno-suppression in RA patients, with the added feature of Zinc loading in lysosomes to block viral replication. It seems like a perfect fit for this situation.

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I didn’t look deeply, but I saw that Otezla (a PDE4 blocker) was suggested for suppressing immune system over response in COVID patients. Not the most cost effective suggestion, (until the patent runs out) but still so much more to study.

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The key here is they been approved to reduce sickess and death but the trials they were put through were not designed or should they have been designed to test wether they protect against transmission! they’ve been found to significantly decrease transmission but no studies specifically for transmission have been done so we can’t be definitive that people who have the vaccine aren’t still able to transmit the virus thereby impacting other people around the vaccinated who may have not, allowing mutations that risk allowing the virus to completely circumventing the vaccine putting us back to March 2020 and resetting this whole thing. So even though people had been vaxxed we should most definitely still be concerned about it cause such a small insignificant act has the potential to unravel all the progress weve made and put us back to square one

Unless your a physician, especially during this pandemic I’d suggest not making medical and medicine regimens cause people can and will really run with stuff like that and it may have unintended results

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Hydroxychloroquine is a well known and commonly used immunosuppresent for modulating rheumatoid arthritis and Lupus. One of the biggest clinics in the country is in Los Angeles, under the direction of Dr. Daniel Wallace, a board certified Rheumatology Specialist, who along with Dr Steven Smith (a board certified infectious disease specialist), effectively debunked the #Fakenews from CNN during summer 2020, regarding the danger of using a drug which has safely been used worldwide for over 60 years.

I personally know several people that contracted Covid-19, who sought out Doctors who weren’t afraid to prescribe HCQ, and benefitted from this therapy. Why would a Doctor in Texas be afraid to prescribe an FDA approved drug? Because the Texas Pharma Board was queued to pursue them by the Cancel Culture. I know of several Doctors who were professionally ruined for telling the truth during this PANDEMIC; Dr. Simone Gold comes to mind.

I’m not making any recommendations and I don’t know of any physician who would prescribe without an examination; we both know this. Unless you are an attourney, and I have retained you, don’t give me legal advice.

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It wasn’t legal advice, I never said you were impersonating a physician and I’m pretty sure there’s no laws about making suggestions it was advice to be a rationally sane person, and exactly you’ve know several people who’ve had physicians prescribe it, since you are not, it easy for people to get your recommendations confused with ones that should be the only ones trusted about stuff like this which would be physicians options