To whoever went through and put the orange violation stickers in the woodshop:
Please be considerate of putting orange stickers on people’s projects especially if they already have a finish/lacquer/etc. I’m sure EVERYONE has experienced the frustration of peeling the sticky glue off of something. It 1) wastes time, 2) is not fun, and most importantly 3) can damage people’s projects. Today I had to do exactly that and I could not get the residue off via mechanical means. Fortunately the finish was not significantly marred by Goo Gone.
I also noted a sticker attached to someone else’s plywood. Again, please use common sense. Some thin plywoods cannot be sanded down or else it may get sanded through thus ruining a perfectly good piece of wood. Alternatively stick it to a piece of paper and use some painter’s tape to affix the violation sticker.
Can we reasonably have more time to address storage issues? I saw multiple people’s tags (including my own) tags saying Posted Date 08/13 and Removal Date 08/15. That’s not a reasonable amount of time (and I did not receive any communication of the sort regarding storage issues of my projects).
Stickers like that do seem excessive. A card scraper will take the residue off, not sure if we have any, I hate sanding, A scraper leaves a very smooth finish. If you want to learn how to sharpen and use a scraper let me know.
Unfortunately, this piece was ready to ship. A card scraper would be great for an unfinished item. I expect you could fill up a four person class pretty easily. Charge $25 and provide the un sharpened scrapers. WS could provide a file(s) and burnisher.
We need to address some concerns regarding project storage. It’s important for everyone to follow the posted storage guidelines to ensure we have enough space and to prevent damage to projects.
Recently, there have been issues with projects being damaged, misplaced, or not adhering to storage rules. Examples include items being thrown on top of others, dirt getting into epoxy resin molds, and missing tools. These problems not only waste time but also impact the quality of projects.
Several projects in storage have been found in violation of the rules, with some exceeding the storage limit by a month or more and lacking necessary contact information. Notably, one project has been in storage since July 2023. Projects that violate the rules are at risk of removal.
A reminder was posted on Talk and Discord over a week ago. While we will try to contact members when possible, it is ultimately each member’s responsibility to manage their projects and ensure they are removed before they violate the rules. Logistics will not be responsible for ensuring compliance or making accommodations.
Speaking as someone responsible for the utterly thankless task of maintaining project storage availability over an ~18 month period in the past.
Project storage is only kept useful to the membership through the threat of, and then subsequent removal of noncompliant projects. Without this, slots would still be in use from 2014 when DMS moved to Monetary Dr.
While I’ve no reason to believe that @krazykleptomaniac is not a reasonably conscientious member, it’s exceptions that drive policies: tag-swapping, notice discarding, sophistry around ignorance / notification / posting, moving to new storage spots, begging special circumstances post-expiry, and various other shenanigans. All of these are draining to the volunteers who manage project storage and contribute to contention for the organization’s finite storage capacity.
Can we reasonably have more time to address storage issues? I saw multiple people’s tags (including my own) tags saying Posted Date 08/13 and Removal Date 08/15. That’s not a reasonable amount of time (and I did not receive any communication of the sort regarding storage issues of my projects).
I thought the time limit was one month or 30 days. So even in the worst case (when you weld something and realize afterwards it will not fit in your car), you always have at least three weeks to address the storage issue. If you plan to use the storage in advance, then you have even longer to make arrangements.
Just getting back to the OP issue, my opinion would be that a large adhesive sticker applied directly to an object is an excessive expression for a warning. GRANTED, the issue should not have been necessary if the user had “been excellent to others”, and not abused the space, but I do not think the application of the sticker is being excellent either.
That’s why I’ve never volunteered (or used for that matter) to help with the project storage at the space. I’m of the opinion that the user is lucky it’s just sticky residue instead of fishing it out of the dumpster. Abusing the time of volunteers and the rules of the space and then having the audacity to claim that their item was handled roughly is something else.
Here is the deal, Nathan wasn’t refuting the storage rules, but the sticker. It seems the storage people are using the same stickers that are used on car windows(the ones you can’t remove) on finished wood, that is a bit over the top. I doubt this thread would exist if a sticker with a more appropriate adhesive would have been used.
I’m not going to argue with the volunteer who put the sticker there, they’re probably annoyed and rightly so that people aren’t following the rules.
I will try this same argument next time I contest my house value with the city. I’m not arguing that I should be exempt from paying taxes, just that the sticker is too harsh. Maybe they’ll give me a few months free
That’s not really an excuse or justification for this type of response. In fact there is no reason for consciously using destructive measures in this situation*, especially when a much more reasonable approach that has the exact same effect is available (e.g. a stock printed card or piece of paper with same information as sticker, but simply blue-taped, or whatever, to the project or shelf cardholder or wherever. Applying essentially punitive measures as retribution really just isn’t in line with our general ethos here. Which you know.
And your counter example re: contesting house value is a Faulty Comparison logical fallacy.
*other than the final, last-resort step of disposal in the dumpster.
Having a flashback moment here…
Maybe it’s time to resurrect the DMS Project Life Cycle logo.
Project → Storage → Dumpster triangle
Dumpster fire is optional.
*other than the final, last-resort step of disposal in the dumpster.
Biggest problem is that you could hurt your back trying to remove somebody else’s heavy object. It is not always obvious where the center of gravity is or how heavy it is.
Everybody who stores big objects could upload a video showing how to remove the object. If a person gets hurt it is then their fault for not following the directions. Plus, by providing directions the person storing the object agreed that their stuff can be removed. Therefore nobody has to feel bad or get a sprained back. Anybody who signs up for storage can remove things that the last person left. They may give you a grace period or they may not. You need a website to sign up for the storage, and to upload the videos. I volunteer to provide moral support and encouraging words to whomever does the work.
Not to sound too ticked off, but I had something almost exactly like this (notifications, registrations, warnings, notes and all) working before storage got taken from me half a year ago. Storage has been a recurring problem and frankly I’m all for it finally getting cracked down on.
Deal with it. You knew the rules ( or are at least obligated to abide by them even if you never bothered to read them.) and had a known, well defined period of time to use without penalty. It’s up to YOU to prevent issues with your stuff being stickered.
Follow the rules, there isn’t a problem. Don’t follow the rules… Have fun with the GooGone if you get to it before it’s dumpster diving time.
