Occasional welders wanted

I was thinking about how many people I have taught TIG or MIG welding to in the last year and how few of them I run into again. I’m guessing some picked it up quickly and don’t need any help or rarely weld, and other’s might have tried it a few times and given up. For me personally learning TIG welding was one of the most frustrating tools I have learned, I stuck the electrode hundreds of times. I still stick it occasionally but it’s pretty rare. I owned the TIG welder so I had a pretty high incentive to push through till I got the hang of it. It’s too easy to give up on a new tool at the makerspace because it only cost $10 to try it. If you abandon it, so what.

Our welding classes are extremely short at 3 hours compared to community college classes that go for a semester or two. My approach has been to teach what it should look like and sound like and what is going wrong or right at the moment, the rest can be learned through practice and youtube, and more practice.

When I was first learning MIG I had some questions for our welder at work and his reply was “Well you can’t learn to be a welder in an afternoon” and he wouldn’t help me so I had to figure it out. It would have been helpful to have a few patient welding buddies to talk to.

An occasional welder to me is someone who is pretty new at it, maybe a little frustrated, but determined to figure it out, or someone who is getting the hang of it but doesn’t feel like they are qualified to help someone else. But that second group can be very helpful because they just learned something or picked it up from practicing and probably remember what they went through to get where they are.

So I’m wondering if there is interest in scheduling some casual occasional welder events with:
New welders who have taken a welding class and practiced a few times on their own but are still struggling and not ready to give up just yet.
and
New welders who have taken a welding class and practiced a few weeks or months and feel like they are starting to get the hang of it and are willing to try to explain it to someone who is struggling.

We could get together an hour or two before the metal shop meetings, or an evening (Mondays are best for me) Ideally I would like to get commitments from anyone taking welding classes to come to at least 3-4 of these get togethers to try to make it self sustaining so we always have some struggling people and a few people who just got past the struggling stage willing to help.

And we always need more instructors. If anyone is interested in teaching let me know, I have other things I could teach besides welding. Best part of teaching is meeting people, I have many new friends that I have taught welding to and who come to the space often enough that we bump into each other
@Team_Metal_Shop

Please discuss…

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I was a self taught MAG welder before I took any of the classes. And while I could use more practice on thin metals, I generally work on 1/8 and thicker and get the job done nicely.

But stick and especially TIG are things I would like to become proficient at, but making the time is just a challenge.

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After the basic class, I think one that would be useful is a body welding class. Yu could probably get a junk yard or body shop to give you some damaged panels, cut them into pieces to get the feel of setting up the weld. Get some body pieces and some thicker floor pieces.

I never mastered MIG, but learning on actual body panel material rather just nice thing clean pieces I think would be useful.

My two cents.

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Hi David I was planning on teaching some of those techniques in an advanced metal shaping class. Sheet metal welding is mostly setup and patience. You need a really tight gap. You need to control heat distortion. You need to plannish after welding to restretch the heat affected zone. I could teach a whole class just on these techniques.

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Randy, here’s my two bits: I learned to stick weld as a young man from my dad. We welded a lot of things back then like boat trailers, gas tanks, various structures we built for the shop, any number of automobile changes/modifications, etc. He was an electrician by trade but could also weld, do refrigeration repairs, plumbing, woodworking, carpentry, etc. Growing up on a farm he kind of had to. He worked full time as a journeyman electrician at Dow Chemical but we had a seperate shop where he could do other stuff. He taught my brother and I a lot of things there.

The bottom line is that MIG and TIG welding are NOT stick welding and learning them are considerably harder for me. I suppose though that like anything else it is a matter of practice right?

My suggesting would be an “open welding session” much like they do in blacksmithing with the open forge. Then those of us working on projects could come and get an assist with the project from a more experienced welder.

Personally, I plan to make some damascus steel and use the welders to weld the various layers together initially. This is usually done by putting all of the layered steels in a vise and welding the ends of them together, then using the forge to weld the actual layers into one billet. Once the forging is completed the ends are sometimes cut off or ground down to remove the welding machine welds, before forming the billet into a knife blank.

I also have some other steel I bought a couple of years ago that I had planned to make knives from but found out is too mild to use for that purpose. (1018) Now I’m thinking I might want to make a blacksmthing tool box from it. This would require considerable welding to accomplish.

I would be interested in a welding mentor and would try to show up for welding sessions on Monday nights if you’re offering.

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Thanks @rlisbona! I would be VERY interested in participating in the occasional welder classes/meetups and would greatly appreciate the learning opportunity. Mondays would work for me, but I would make time whenever they’re available.

DD

@Photomancer ::
YES!!! This is exactly the kind of thing in which I’m interested!!! I’ll help harvest parts, but I don’t yet have a work truck for transport to DMS.

DD

People could bring sample material and we could talk about how to prep and fixture for welding and some test welds

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I’ve got a set of stainless bike exhaust pipes that I bought from another Member.

I want to practice on them before I weld up the new exhaust for my little GT.

I have to put a new clutch in it this coming week so I can race it at the Autocross it next weekend at the Goodguys show at Texas Motor Speedway.

The new exhaust can wait. The clutch is why she’s up on cribs in the garage right now. Have all the parts. Just have to get 'em into the car.

Life’s super busy right now, but eager to get back to DMS and play.

DD

With Stainless you need the backside purged with Argon, We don’t have the fittings and an extra gas line to do that, we can talk about that at the metal shop meeting. I can take a photo of my setup at home.

We should have a dual regulator.

Is that only for very thin material ? I hadn’t heard of that before. Learning stainless is on my list.

No, it creates sugaring on the back side if its not in an inert environment

Sugaring sounds like it would be no big deal to remove, like a cosmetic issue, but it is actually extremely hard black oxides. I used a piece of stainless tubing for an axle mount for my two wheel dolly a few years ago. After I welded it the axle wouldn’t fit through it. It was a lot of work to clean up the ID so the axle would fit. Thats when I set up my back purge valve.

I use a piece of 1/4" tubing, open the valve on the right side, increase preflow time to several seconds, use foil or tape to close off back side of the part or ends of a tube.

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Leaving some priors here…
This one shows a dual regulator setup kind of like we might have, as well as a link to Solar Flux:

In this one, someone asks a question and it gets answered:

These aren’t priors, though I would SWEAR I’ve put these links into Talk before…
The Fabricator Series Justin talks about & demonstrates backpurging, why, how, and alternatives to noble gas like Solar Flux:

The Fabricator Series Justin talks about & tests Solar Flux alternatives

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Charley told me it’s possible to do dissimilar metal braising with the TIG. I would like to practice a lot with that. Have several sculptures I want to create as functional furnishings for my editing suite.

DD

Awesome! Very useful. Thanks!

DD

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Hello all, my name’s Zach and I’m a new member at DMS and am actually looking to get certified and all in the metal shop. I am a furniture builder and welder at a local shop and would love to teach some classes, but am not too sure how to get involved. Thanks

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Hey Zach we met yesterday. We’ll be painting in the metal shop Monday night at 6. Maybe also on Wednesday at 6. Quickest way to get checked off is to come to our committee meetings and work days. You’ll need to take the hot process class, if you already know how to weld I can give you a quick sign off. Would be great to have more teachers and more metal classes
-Randy

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Good evening Randy, I’m sorry I did not get back to you sooner! I do know how to weld and love to get signed off, I plan on being at DMS this Wednesday evening, 4/13, would you happen to be around on that day?

Thanks for getting back to me,
Zach