Molecular hydrogen gas (h2)

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I would like to make a tool (a saturator) for H2-rich water. I would like to use a saturation method (mixing/babbling H2 gas into water). Could anyone help with this?

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For what purpose are you intending this? Because, without any more detail, it sounds like a great way to blow yourself to Kingdom Come. And I for one would prefer that you not do so at DMS!

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for drinking. my final product must be a water with neutral ph and without any metals/minerals. I do not want to use electrolysis (eg water ionizers or hydrogen specific devices) or water with alkali-earth metals (eg magnesium). Just simply bubbling H2 into water.

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Given the ridiculously wide range of concentrations in which hydrogen is explosive in atmosphere I share your concerns.

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over 4%, yes. I am looking for a specialist who is able to build it for me.

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looking for a complete system to build like systems for making CO2 water.

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There are plenty of folks who will sell you molecular hydrogen pills without the need to risk the fire/explosion hazard of a diy hydrogen generator.

There are also commercially available machines, Team Alkaviva - Retail Store

All that said, you may want to research the topic with a more critical eye as to its validity for any health benefits beyond those obtained from drinking more water.

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@annabierniak this sounds like a cool project. If someone turns up who is familiar with this I will let pass them to you. That being said if you would like to discuss more about your idea i’m open to listen and see how you can complete your goal.

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The water will be first filtered by reverse osmosis filter then I am looking for some kind of container with connection to this water from one point and second connection to the h2 gas. Of course everything needs to be controlled as far as amount of water and h2 gas to mix together( mixing is just a phrase here. The gas must be infused in empty space in water). The establishment must be controlled and tightly locked. I am not a scientist so it’s hard for me to explain how that suppose to be built. I know that could be done and this is reason I am looking for some specialist/constructor. This is a part of the whole system for bottled water. I am looking for a serious scientist/ constructor. I do not want to deal with tablets or ionizators like people suggesting here. They missing a point. The other technics brings to many negative side effects including poisoning with heavy metals. I would be happy to explain all of this to someone who has a spirit of science and is an engineer/constructor.

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Makes sense. It kind of reminds me of the Slingshot, except different method. This all depends on how public you would like to make this. We could arrange for an event at the space to attract inside and outside talent. If you need help, Science is always down for the count.

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Because hydrogen gas is a non-polar molecule, it does not readily form hydrogen bonds with water molecules, making it not very soluble in water. Without any additional catalyst chemicals or electrical catalysts your not going to be able to get ‘hydrogen to infuse the empty space’. It will just bubble out.

More to the point, I strongly suggest that you do some research from reputable sources about your perceived health benefits. The only sources a quick search turned up this morning are the typical quackery (hence why they wanted to sell you stuff linked above).

The alkalizer above is just another quack term for an electrolysis operation. Which is perfectly safe to drink, no ‘heavy metals’ are involved unless you are using something other then pure water, in which case the heavy metals were there to begin with.

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I am open for meeting. Just let me know. I could show already build out the whole system on a camera, the explanation is in a foreign language which is my primary but for the scientist the video will explain everything, I think. People are building this already in Japan for instance. Anyway, waiting for a contact.

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There is always two sides of the coin - my knowledge is based on real scientist reaserch. I am not talking about comercially sold Kangen water. I just do not know the technical side of building this equipment. This is not alkaline water. Anyway, perhaps this is not the right place for looking a help on this.

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I am really appreciate your opinion.

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Not sure if this will be helpful at all, as there may be additional restraints I am not aware of, but this is how I would go about it. First a standard electrolysis chamber is utilized to generate the dual offgasses, with extreme care being taken not to make the ever elusive browns gas HHO as that would be totally inappropriate here. If constructed correctly the gases should be pure and free from heavy metals of course. The higher volume gas is directed through a confined puddle of previously distilled dihydrogen monoxide, whereupon, being virtually insuloble, a scintillating display of mostly spherical droplets with differing refractive indexes will dazzle most peoples visual orbs. I would select a multicolor LED controlled by arduino to affix behind the chamber to enhance those properties and create the photos for the marketing brochure. The smaller volume gas will be directed straight through a oxygen-safe tube into a fuel cell. This fuel cell is a green solution whose main purpose is to be referred to repeatedly in the marketing materials but also has the ability to dispose of the industrial waste gases, which although not harmful, could be harmful. Here, we will rename the waste gases into regenerative fluids, and that will appease all but the most ham handed epa agent, believe you me. Well, it is ingenious, the fuel cell will convert the byproducts into pure water, which can then be pumped back into the electrolysis chamber to replace any losses from electrolysis. If you are following along so far, it may amaze you to discover that not only is the whole process self sufficient (some might even call it perpetual), there is a strong possibility it could be used as an over unity device since the fuel cell also creates a small amount of electrical current. It may not be enough to power a car, but it could be. Tesla anyone? Now, those claims have not been tested, but I felt should be brought up in any discussions about funding.
If you are set on not having electrolysis or catalysts for some reason, then a methane cracking furnace would suffice, however that would be much bigger, expensive, and would create carbon monoxide!
Can I put a smiley here? :slight_smile:

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A scientist would probably look at the claims (“Once in these ideal locations of the cell, previous studies have shown that hydrogen exerts antioxidant, anti-apoptotic, anti-inflammatory, and cytoprotective properties that are beneficial to the cell.” and " Hydrogen water at a concentration of 1.6 mg/L would have more “antioxidant” molecules than 100 mg of vitamin C, as there are more total molecules in 1.6 mg of hydrogen compared 100 mg of vitamin C.”) and then start down the path of checking if one could actually dissolve that much H2 in water at standard temperature and pressures.

A quick look in the CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics (or this page) will show the relative solubility of various inorganic molecules in water.

Doing the math, you’ll notice that the solubility of CO2 (the gas bubbling out of fizzy drinks) and NH3 (ammonia, easily detectable when opening up a bottle of the stuff) are fairly high: 33.6mmol/dm3 and 1.76mmol/dm3, respectively.

Now, let’s do the same calculation for N2 (nitrogen, making up ~78% of the air we breathe) and H2 (molecular hydrogen). We get 0.6mmol/dm3 and 0.8mmol/dm3, more than an order of magnitude more less soluble than CO2.

Fortunately, dm^3 is the same as L, and one mol of molecular hydrogen is 2.0159 g (let’s call it 2 for simplicity).

So, 1.6mg would equal 79mmol. At 1 atmosphere and standard temperature (20-22C), this is 98.75x more H2 than would like to dissolve in water.

So, how do we make it dissolve better? Well, we can lower the temperature or up the pressure. Solids and liquids are relatively insensitive to temperature, and the gas behaves (mostly) in a linear fashion. Let’s try upping the pressure: That’s easy, we just need squeeze it 98.75x more than 1atm, or roughly 1382 psi. (I’d be careful to tap the top of that can before popping it open!)

Lowering the temperature will require reference to a table which I don’t have on hand, so I’ll leave that one as an exercise for the readers.

In any case, H2 water, a least in the form of a soda bottle drink, is a hoax. This can be proven with simple physical principles.

I apologize for any errors, as they are probably caused by my weak recollection of chemistry and physics. :slight_smile:

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Some follow-up references:

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NOW WHO WOULD’VE THOUGHT we had this many Scientists lurking around DMS!

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I was curious to what this H2 water was. According to what I could find all the free radicals will disappear inside me. (Question this a good thing the total removal? Nature seems to put some things there for reason, so is zero healthy?)

Next it spoke of how H2 gets through every barrier in the body - even into sub-particals within the cell, semms possible due size. If the goal is to get from the gut to the cells via blood, why not just inhale pure H2 as a small small percentage of the air, it’ll go directly into blood steam dispersing throughout the body.

I figure about 2 cc’s of H2 injected into my CPAP at night (my tidal volume is about 800cc x 10 bpm x 6 equalls about 1:57,:000, so fire risk is low. One good SBD probably an orders of magnitude more explosive) probably is more actual free H2 than dissolved in a litre of water (too lazy to mole equivalance calc). This would seem infinitely more simple, direct and cheaper.

According to this: my diabetes, obesity, arthritis, asthma, and halitosis would disappear and my heart, liver, would perform incredability well. The claims I read were amazing, okay, I admit it did not claim to cure halitosis - I got carried away. They all talked about research studies, one claimed 25, yet no citations were provided. I’m surprised Herbalite does sell these pills. How does one put free Hydrogen molecules into a powder or does it react with stomach HCl to release the H2?

However, if you truly belive it works, I’ll help ya fabricate it. My curious.

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An inhalation of H2 will be the best but how convenient it is? We drink water anyway. We are not finding time for a meditation or relaxation which are the best tools for healing ourselves, so I do not think we find time for H2 inhalation. Putting H2 into water is the most convenient way, specially the water is treated in specific way which I did not mentioned here. I am going to prepare some kind of pp presentation to explain all of this for people are interested in this subject. My project is much bigger then this one piece (this component (the tool) is missing from the whole idea of optimal water we should drink every day.