Backyard Homesteading Advice

Hello!

I want to build a greenhouse and a chicken coop with run in my backyard. We have no HOA and have looked at local regulations so we’re good to go. I just wanted to see if anyone else has built or started their own backyard homestead and hopefully get some tips or pictures!

My hopes are to eventually have an orchard, raised garden beds, greenhouse, and chicken coop, so if anyone has recommended places they’ve bought their livestock, materials, and plants from I’d appreciate it.

Thanks in advance!

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We did exactly this with our backyard about 12 years ago. I’m happy to share what we learned. We live on a 1/3 acre pie-shaped lot so we had a decent size backyard.
I could talk for hours about this but here’s the short(er) version:

Chickens: Local regulations stipulated that we couldn’t have roosters, and also limited the number of total household pets. Check with your city code on this one.
We built a coop and totally enclosed an attached run. We used chicken wire, but bobcats and rats can get through it. So 1/4" hardware cloth (welded wire) is the best.
The chickens were essentially pets and if we left them to scratch around in the yard, we had to be out there with them the entire time due to the predator issue.

Orchard: We planted 27 fruit trees, and now we get exactly zero fruits every year. The squirrels get every last peach, apple, pear, and nectarine long before they’re ripe. I’d advise getting dwarfing rootstock trees, or multiple types of fruit grafted onto one tree. Peaches are very difficult to grow here in N. Texas due to fungus, inconsistent rain, rodents, and bugs.
We also have difficulty because of neighbor’s trees shading our yard. Look at the light and make sure wherever you plant trees they get full sun.

Raised beds: Sub irrigated planters (SIP) beds are the best for our region. We have problems with moles getting into everything, and after digging up our poorly performing beds after a few years we found the neighbor’s elm tree had roots in ALL our beds and was sucking the nutrients and water.
I’d recommend covering the beds in that white breathable cloth unless you want to spray for bugs. Squash bugs got all of our squash plants. Melons, peppers, leafy greens like lettuces (up till it gets above 90 in May), okra, cherry tomatoes, and kale grew pretty well. It’s much cheaper and better to buy seeds and have a system to germinate them starting in January rather than buying the seedlings in March at Calloway’s.

Greenhouse: Good for the winter, better have automatic venting in the spring and fall otherwise plants will roast. Shade cloth is better in the summers rather than a greenhouse.

Bottom line: We far underestimated the amount of money / infrastructure it would take to do all this, and even more underestimated the amount of time required for gardening (and protecting our food crops from local wildlife and bugs). It’s literally a full time job. I could easily spend 50 hours a week in the garden. But you just can’t beat the taste of a Cherokee Purple tomato fresh off the vine with a little salt… it’s just mind blowing how delicious home grown vegetables are. Cheaper than store bought? No, it’s an order of magnitude more money and work. But definitely worth it if you have the time. Start small and plan on this taking several years to get where you want to go because there’s lots to learn.

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Regarding the gardening. I’d recommend watching Gardening with Leon on YT. He is a wealth of information, relatively local in Southern OK. Really nice guy. We met him & bought some of the fertilizers from him. Gave my kids some Cantaloupes. We did wicking tubs that worked really well. You can buy dynodirt from Denton’s landfill or dirt from
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I like this design

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As someone who used to own and take care of 300+ chickens, I highly recommend a mobile chicken coop. Something similar to the image below for 4-12 chickens. Depending on how much acerage you have (not ideal for less than 1 acre), and how many chickens you’re wanting (good chicken math is 2 chickens per person in a household unless you’re planning to sell) a mobile chicken coop is a great option both for lawn maintenence and fertilizer.

Static chicken coops tend to have an issue where the rum will eventually become barren hard backed earth that the hens can’t forrage in, becoming heavily dependant on their feed for all their nutrients, which isn’t the best for their health in the long run. Mobile chicken coops allow for free foraging and cuts down on food costs (about 15%) and cleaning time/costs because you don’t need to change out a whole coop worth of dirty bedding.

Mobile chicken coops also have the advantage of being wonderful fertilizer for your back yard. You only need to move it about once a week, and fhe following week, after the grass grows back, it will be visibly greener and healthier to the surrounding areas. Though, one of the downsides of having a mobile coop is that there is less organic material for you to use if you are waning to compost using your old bedding. You still get some from changing out from the sheltered portions, just not as much.

The only other major downside to mobile is having to lug out feed and water to the coop. I fixed that issue by making a giant automatic feeder I could dump feed bags into and automatic waterers I only had to fill up once a week when moving the coops, but it’s something to consider when planning.

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I like it!. Is this just a semi-random image from a search, or an actual design from somewhere that might be copied or purchased?

I think Tractor Supply had/has something similar.

https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/aivituvin-wooden-chicken-tractor-with-metal-frame-for-6-10-chicken-2441840

Yes, but I’d be surprised that something like this from T/S would be of sufficient quality, especially for that price. Just reading the awkward writing for description and etc. tells me everything I need to know. e.g. There is no way that thing holds up to 10 (adult) chickens.

But, similar to other, I like the design a lot!

Definitely not doing large scale lol. We only have a backyard that is less than 0.3 acres so looking to start real small!

This is just a random image from search but blueprints are easy to find or make. I have my own blueprints for one that holds 20 chickens and is far, far more egonomic than the one you can find at tractor supply. Anything you find at the store is going to have MAJOR issues because their job is to sell something that looks good first, not something that works.

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Small scale isnt an issue! A mobile chicken coop like the one below is super easy to make and is perfect for 2-4 chickens, though a bit cramped for refilling water and feed. I helped a friend who had less than .25 acres build one like it and it was perfect for them.

If you’re dead set on having a static chicken coop then I do recomend letting the chickens out of their run at least once every few days. That’ll keep them from ruining the ground as fast and giving it too much nitrogen poisoning. Also letting them into your garden about 1-2 weeks before planting is a great idea too if you’re doing ground beds. Otherwise I recommend putting the droppings and bedding into your garden AFTER composting.

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I can confirm chickens will scratch the ground in their run until it looks like the surface of Mars. We tried chicken tunnels because they looked cool on YouTube, but it was a terrible idea in practice… One chicken would block the tunnel and peck any others who tried to get by. They’re definitely less stressed in larger spaces, and happiest when free roaming around the yard hunting for grasshoppers and tomato hornworms. We would usually let them out an hour or two before sunset while we were also digging in the garden. I’d recommend an automatic door that opens at dawn and closes at dusk. A treadle feeder works well too once they’re heavy enough to open it.

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Ecoblossom.com in Fort Worth and Rootedin.com in Pilot Point (Denton) are the best best for native plants. The owner operators are amazing and very knowledgeable. Ecoblossom.com has open house on certain weekend days this month, so no purchase required.

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Thank you all for your responses! I’m still figuring out what exactly I want to have but the first project I’m going to build is a greenhouse, raised planter beds, and in the meantime find trees to start an orchard.

If anyone has a recommended nursery they get their trees from that would be really helpful. I want to get satsuma (seto and owari) mandarins, lemon and lime trees, korean pear, and a cherry tree. I also wanted to get some berry bushes as well.

Also a side note if anybody has different varieties of fruit or knows of an orchard willing to do tours I’d love to be able to taste them before deciding :tired_face:

Definitely agree with TBJK, Texas pure products for soil and compost. They have a spot in Plano just drive through they’ll load up your truck bed; the delivery is from Melissa and cost is calculated by mile and has a minimum order. For mulch most tree service companies will offer at no charge if they are in your area. We do no till and all organic. Native American / seedsource.com offers good blends and single varieties that you can just cast out on exposed soil. Any questions about soil health, ammendments or vermi-composting I will ask my better half and get back with you.

Good growing!

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Lubbock.tamu.edu has recommendations for specific food plants that do well in our climate.

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Doan’s in Irving usually has good selection and low prices on fruit trees. Planting sunflowers and leaveing a water source out on the opposite side of your property can help keep the critters of your fruit.

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For the chickens, you need a plan on what you’re going to do with them after they stop laying. As with most mammals, chickens only produce eggs for a few years. Your choice is to then either kill your now-pets yourself and eat them (there are no locker houses around here to do it for you)…or keep them around as pets for several more years until they get killed/die from something else.

That all makes for INCREDIBLY expensive eggs (setting aside the cost of the chicken house). If you want home-grown eggs, imo the far easier path is to buy from someone locally who has enough chickens to make it a profitable/breakeven hobby.

And you WILL attract rats…and they will send out the call to all of their relatives….so just accept it.

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Good points to consider!

Several years ago, I decided to take up vermicomposting because I wanted to 1) improve the quality of the compost I was using on my garden, (I had multiple regular yard waste compost bins I had built) 2) dispose of kitchen waste very efficiently and 3) have some worms to fish with or sell to those who wanted them.

Redworms such as those I used eat their entire body weight in food stuffs every day and produce some of the nicest compost you’ve ever seen. Your tomatoes and other vegetables may be as much as twice as productive. Some gardeners call it black gold.

The downsides are 1) you have to feed them regularly 2) you have to keep their environment moist but not wet 3) you have to not cook them in Texas heat, and lastly you have to make a bin that is varmint preventitive. You will have insects, rodents and other varmints trying to dine at your compost bins. Rats are especially problematic.

I also had bird feeders and other produce that was very attractive to varmints like rats and squirrels. Once they tell their friends about your vermicompost bins the will come in large numbers and will anything they can.

For me, I wanted to have that garden fresh produce, and it was worth it for a while but eventually my wife had enough of the varmits and insisted that I close down the bins and so all I plant now are herbs and spices and a little aloe vera.

I love fresh peppers and tomatoes, but you’ll spend a lot of money trying to grow bug free and varmint free plants.

You have to want to be a homesteader to make it all work, and you will not probably be able to break even on it. It has to be something you want to do for the love of doing it.

I grew up on a farm where we had livestock ranging from chickens, to cows, to horses to turkeys and I loved it. We also had an acre garden patch, and it was very productive, but eventually my family was unable to sustain it when my brother and I went off to college. Several years afterward, my dad sold the farm.

Now I shop at Sams, Costco or Kroger like everybody else.

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