ICYMI.
Thumbs up to instructor Joe for this. 
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Can I please get some clarifications:
âAs of Sept 1, this is a required class to use most Automotive toolsâ - So everyone who uses the automotive area after this date will need to have taken this class?
âThe class fee for this class will be applied to the âtool fundâ, as Automotive currently does not charge âuse-basedâ fees for utilizing our space.â - So which areas do charge for use-based fees for utilizing the space? I think I am safe, I clean up after myself, I do not steal and mostly bring a lot of my own tools - whats the $10 for, do you want me to give a donation on top of membership to help buy more tools?
I always try to adhere to the âleave the place better than you found itâ rule, and I am willing to help people if I can, I have taken a few classes at the space and some are free and some charge for materials, and some charge when there are no materials, I can never understand the consistency of this.
I find the space great value for money but if the classes are subsidizing income for the space then does that not indicate we need to increase the charge?
And if we are plagued with thefts and people not cleaning up after themselves do we not need to enforce stricter punishments?
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Seems like a question for the chair.
@TLAR Tom?
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Do you use shop towels? Gloves? Solvents? The parts cleaner?
A one-time $10 for the duration of your membership seems pretty cheap to me.
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Thanks for that clarification. Shop towels I bring my own. 
Donât get me wrong I donât mind paying one little bit, just like I donât mind paying for consumables in any of the other areas, I just wanted clarification as it said it was for âtool fundâ after saying we struggled with theft it sounded like we were wanting more money to replace stolen tools.
I was also trying to get it clear in my mind when doing classes where the money was going, the TIG class I did I assumed went towards the metal that was purchased for training, the lift class I was not sure where the money was going (lift servicing??), or if it was going towards the teachers for the honorarium for teaching.
I always have plans to use the automotive area for a couple of major jobs in the upcoming months (Valve stem oil seals then the guibo on my BMW 750li), and so a few $$ here and there is still more than great value rather than doing it on my drive.
I am going to state this again in case anyone thinks I am complaining; âDonât get me wrong I donât mind paying one little bitâ, I just wanted some clarity on why we were needing extra money.
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There will be no such thing as âextra moneyâ in the future with the expansion.
New members after that date will have to take 101,
All current members will be expected to have READ the rules posted so that they know what to expect if they opt to leave the work area a mess.
A class fee is to keep people from signing up for a class and then not showing up - just ask any of the several folks that have taught the wood shop 101 classes back when they were free.
Those fees go to the committee (not the instructor) and the committee uses the funding to buy BETTER tools or more tools.
I donât think you are complaining - I appreciate the questions!
Iâve done stem seals on those V12âs with the heads on the carâŚmuch more time consuming than a 4 banger!
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Thanks for that response, appreciate it.
Itâs the newer 750 with the V8 not the V12, but I am expecting it to be a major pita on overhead cam.
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Youâre welcome!
Communication is the key!
My âoldâ days of the 750iLâs those were even overhead cam too - even thirty years ago! (It almost hurts to type the âthirtyâ part)âŚ
I only do car work for therapy and entertainment now - and to lend a hand (not for a living).
Todayâs cars make me want to take a young automotive engineer and hand him or her a set of basic tools and something like a 2007 Audi S6 and have him or her replace something basic like a water pump without dismantling half the car. Or worse yet, replace an ac compressor on an Audi R8.
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Itâs easy⌠just start on page 1 of the water pump replacement manual (available only to certied parties or for $250) and 273 pages later there will be a line that says âreassembly is the reverse of disassembly.â
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Is this still a thing? I saw a few on the calendar and now it seems there are no more. Regardless, I should be good to use the auto space until Sep 1, correct? I need to tighten up my chain and maybe do some wiring work on my motorcycles.
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I think that the intent is for all members before a specified date be grandfathered in as satisfying the requirement.
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