What about the old people that want to learn to code for free! 
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as it requires signing a contract?
No contract was required. Its an affiliate program on the same level as the Pearson Vue, CodeHS, FreeCodeCamp, and MLH programs.
All ages are welcome. I do also encourage one to take the freecodecamp.com lessons or hour of code to get the basics before moving up to the coding dojo.
but to be clear, the bulk of the programs that I’ve setup with VCC and DMS is open to all members that wish to attend, no matter age, walk of life, or anything else. If one has a passion to learn then you will not be turned away.
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Is this going to lead to dozens, or hundreds of honorariums going out to job train people? I fully support us preparing people for a new career, I don’t know that I support member dollars being spent for instructors for this at a high rate.
I personally host these classes and 100% of the honorarium classes I host/teach goes back to committees at the makerspace. Any member may teach these classes as well since the course work is provided and standardized but they do have to follow the same example of the honorarium going to committees at the space or providing it free to the membership.
After all I do not teach to make money, I teach to educate the community and that’s what the makerspace is here for, to educate her members.
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I thought that DMS would become a teaching site for the 14 week program.
That’s been one of our end goals for VCC since we before the expansion and with the expansion the computer lab would be available for just such a thing.
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That’s half the answer on where the money is going, and I am happy to hear the money would go to the committee, but the second half I ask again is this going to lead to dozens or hundreds of classes to job train people? I don’t want to see VCC hijack tens of thousands of member dollars to job train people.
@indytruks138 I hear the concern and would like to ask the same of someone that does so much in woodshop. Would woodshop “hijack” tens of thousands of member dollars to job train people in woodworking? How about automotive, metalshop, machine shop? these are all actual industry jobs that one typically goes to get a degree and certifications in before they can operate in those industries.
Now the bigger concern obviously heard here is “is VCC going to take money away from DMS’s bigger committees” or overcrowd classrooms of which that’s a negative. One we have our own committee area to teach and a upcoming computer lab for our useage. Two, most members come to the space to use the wood working, metalshop, laser, and automotive and would continue to do so. The individuals and members that come to the space to learn programming and IT may stick around VCC long enough to take the class but will stay members of the space because of woodworking, laser and automotive.
Thus one should look upon this as an opportunity not a threat just like the string of candy leading up to the carrot with all the rest of the space’s offerings being the stick.
I’m very down to get my 8yr old into a high paying new career.
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What, his child labor job isn’t paying enough?
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His well funded and excellently logoed egg business (aydens eggcellent eggs) is shut down by a current chicken freeloader strike.
Non-producing asshats
Do we want kids 7 to 17 being called regularly to the space for classes?
The essence of the Coding Dojo is for kids.
Have him put their food in a KFC bucket … and have him tell them " Ayden Agriculural Products has two divisions: Renewables products and single-use consumables. All workers are subject to inter-divisional transfers"
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No you read something into my post that is not there. Woodshop, metal shop, machine shop, none of these aim to train people to get a job. We aim to train people to safely use tools to make projects. Woodshop 101, welding safety, laser 102, none of these classes aim to create expertise or create jobs. You started this thread advising the goal is to get ready for a job in software coding in 14 weeks. I have no problem with any specific committee regardless of size. I have a major problem with a committee planning to ask for thousands of member dollars to train people for a job. This doesn’t sound maker related, yes educational, but not maker related.
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And the real assumption here is that I’m even asking money of any sort from the space for these classes.
Yes, as I pointed out any honorarium classes requested by myself stays 100% within the makerspace. So no members money is not going to something else its already within the coffers of the makerspace.
Now have we even remotely thought that I’ve even remotely submitted any of theses classes as honorariums?
No, they have not.
doesn’t sound maker related
The maker movement origins are from hackerspaces and thus hackers ethics are at the root of all things maker.
To Quote;
The maker culture is a contemporary culture or subculture representing a technology-based extension of DIY culture[ citation needed ] that intersects with hacker culture (which is less concerned with physical objects as it focuses on software
- You can create art and beauty on a computer. – http://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Hacker_Ethic
Besides that fact.
Woodshop, metal shop, machine shop, none of these aim to train people to get a job. We aim to train people to safely use tools to make projects
yet there has been members that turn around and start small businesses using these same skills they learn here either by selling their things on etsy/online or go off to get jobs in light industry.
One could say that in of itself is not very maker uness these individuals are posting their works as creative commons and downloadable stl files.
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I don’t think there is any reason you should have moved this to a new thread. It was relevant to your post.
You have now avoided and deflected a direct question twice.
Is this going to lead to dozens/hundreds of honorarium classes to train someone for a job?
Your arguments are not relevant, someone taking a basic class then building a skill on their own to run a small side business is not even close to comparable to planning a 14 week program with the intent of getting someone a job. Your reluctance to answer the question and how defensive you are getting makes me think my suspicions were correct.
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We are about collaboration more than becoming a school. We have an education component but our main thrust is collaboration, exploration and sharing of that knowledge, at least according to the Mission Statement.
This said, we can explore having a more course like structure. I like the idea of having courses for things. Such as learning machining. Nick has put together some classes that teach machining as opposed to just how to be safe and not break things. If we want to have a school like curriculum, and pay for it, we need to discuss it and see if we can get a consensus on what the membership wants. This topic has been brought up before but hasn’t gained much traction.
If, however, you still want to do this Coding Dojo, I suggest you read more about Coding Dojo, especially the part about being only for kids 7 to 17 and with no adult classes. Second, decide how to handle all of the kids and parents. Third, figure out how many classes we can reasonably handle without impeding our financial status or our other operations. Forth, contact the board and let them know your plan and objectives and allow them to approve or deny it. You will have to do this anyway in order to sign up officially.
I just would like to ask how in your plan @denzuko will this program be rolled out/done at DMS.
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