I was signing up someone today and we went to the second row of computers. There were bags of food, pizza crusts, cups. It looked like someone was living on the second row of computers.
This needs to stop. It is embarrassing to try be signing people up and there are bags of half eaten food and trash on the table. You shouldn’t be eating at the computers, but somehow if you are above the rules clean up your mess, quit claiming an entire row as your dumping grounds.
People living at DMS? Say it ain’t so.
How are people even eating at the space through masks that are required at all times?
This type of stuff isn’t new, really, and it is not going to stop until we decide as a group/org it needs to stop (which we haven’t, hence it continues). So your post gets a bunch of ‘likes’ and mine may as well, but no real effect.
What needs to happen is a formal CoC (Code of Conduct) complaint gets submitted to BoD, ideally with photographic evidence or at least supporting witnesses.
At least then the Board can officially follow up with the offending member(s). Hopefully a choice, like clean the common room tables every weekend for a month or your membership get suspended for a month, is provided and also made public, i.e. “a member was found in violation of CoC and this is what the result was” type of thing.
Then folks can start understanding there will be consequences for this stuff.
The next time I’m up there and see it I’ll take a picture and filed a complaint.
Went through this room the other day and a lady was camped out at a table not wearing her mask. I passed through a dozen times over two hours and about three times she had put it on, probably because she heard me coming.
I wasn’t really down with saying anything but as a high-risk heart patient I find it very obnoxious.
Can I ask why not? Also, if you were uncomfortable having that conversation face to face person to person, why post to Talk for everyone to hear, possibly including that person?
I’ve had to give that reminder to three people so far, usually they just do it and go “sorry about that”.
Most people don’t understand that the mask isn’t to protect you, it’s to protect everyone else. As a high risk individual, with poor lungs, it is sometimes difficult for Me to breathe even without the mask. So sometimes I will lift and hold it, then return it just so I can catch my breath. If you see me do this and your close by, just say something.
The same reason I didn’t. Am trying so hard to be a positive influence at the makerspace to improve some of the culture. No more, am going to hold others accountable going forward.
Holding people accountable and being a positive influence aren’t mutually exclusive. I think you are a positive influence. When I was doing work in common room these past two weekends, when I’ve stood up, everyone I saw had a mask on, but I couldn’t see all of the time.
As I talked with someone in workshop area, they were upset with how someone had approached them. I discussed it with them, and they put on a mask. When I saw them another day they had their mask on.
Growing up my mother practically brow beat me with “It’s not WHAT you say, it’s HOW you say it.”
I am not picking on you with the following!
Part of the problem…maybe most of the problem, is this brand of thinking. People think “being a positive influence” means “being nice” means never saying anything that might hurt someone’s feelings.
Similar to the roads/highways/tollways, DMS is a shared space, and similar to all of the drivers one may encounter on the roads, we can expect a continuum of behavior spread out along a normal curve for most characteristics and “features” of human nature.
And similar to driving/drivers, we put pretty friggin’ few barriers to entry up…that’s probably how it should be. But if you are going to have open borders in a place like this, then it needs to be matched with appropriate checks and balances within the organization. Like Dalton said…“Be Nice!..until it’s time to not be nice” (I thought he’d be bigger?). And anyway it’s not not being nice to mention or complain about bad behavior (e.g. whoever left that crud in the utility sink a week or so back)…it’s being nice to [whole membership - 1 member] people.
Can this be made intelligible in printed form and placed alongside any other Masks Required signage on prem?
EDIT: I’m not good with asking folks to follow rules, either, but we really do need to get over the idea that we’re not being nice when we do; we’re not being nice to MORE people when we let a few slide on the rules we’ve agreed to live by.
Yes. I can work on it tonight, will just need someone at space to print and post since I usually only make the trek on weekends now.
Meh excessive use of the Disney rule shouldn’t be on the members. The BoD is aware, as the rat thread wasn’t really about rats. Except to the ppl defending ppl breaking rules I’m mean rats.
We fucked up the wording on the rules for food. Fix it and move on.
Winter is coming!
My perspective: It has been literally my job for 18 years to ask people to follow rules and to follow-up with consequences. I don’t like it. It’s hard. In the short term, being “nice” and letting things slide would be soooooooo much easier. In the long term, rules, confrontations, and consequences early on actually make for a better life later on. I’m not looking to be liked, but I will be respected. I’m a parent. My kid is turning out fine. Not scarred for life. Some of you know him.
Don’t sit around discussing. Either confront directly face to face or indirectly by filing a complaint with the board or Logistics. Nip bad behavior in the bud ASAP. Post a notice that action was taken without naming names so other members know leadership is serious.
Ummm…you lost me with the Disney reference. But I think we’ve talked on this, and maybe I was unclear above, or myself have misunderstood you, but I don’t remember being very far apart. To restate more succinctly:
1 – We are a shared-space that allows pretty much anyone to be a member.
2 – We have a very flat organization, which means no “police” or “floor managers” or “shop stewards”.
3 – So if a member is doing something unpleasant or dis-allowed (allowing someone to tailgate into the building; not wearing a mask; peeing on the floor; sleeping in a room; making a saw dust mess and not cleaning it up; running around screaming bloody murder; etc.) it’s incumbent on another member to:
3a – talk to that member and explain things (aka “butting in”);
3b – if member is not receptive or whatever, maybe a few more members can help “explain things” (aka “ganging-up”);
3c – if there is still an issue, photograph, record, document, whatever and send it in as a formal complaint (aka “tattletaling”).
Then hopefully some real discussion and action and public attention occurs.
It is my contention that, historically, as organization we have kinda shied away from the butting-in, ganging-up, and tattletaling stuff, but that we have to start explaining to members, especially new ones, that here, given above (1) and (2), these are good and needed behaviors when reasonably used/applied .
What other way is there?
