Hey just triggerd the saw stop on the machine on the right. @Team_Woodshop. I know ik supposed to make a donation can someone remind me where and how much that is supposed to be?
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I think it’s $100, and you’d pay it on the kiosk in there in Woodshop.
Care to share the details of what happened? Was it a materials issue? Flesh? Something else? Others might learn from your experience.
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The saw is back online.
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Watched it happen. Blade was too high in relation to stock thickness. Blade caught flesh and popped.
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That $100 cartridge was much cheaper than the alternative.
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Forgive me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t the rule that if the saw stop popped because of flesh and not wet wood or metal or something that the fee was optional? (I think to encourage people to use it and keep safe rather than skip if because they were afraid of the fee)
This is currently not the case. If a member triggers the SawStop for any reason, then they will have to pay to help cover the cost of replacing/resharpening the blade and the cartridge. Replacement cartridges alone cost 100 USD on Amazon (I believe 130 for a dado-stack specifc one), so this leaves out the cost of the blade in case it is not salvageable.
The only case where I could see a member not being charged is if there is some theoretical defect with the SawStop cartridge and it triggers on accident. Hypothetically, if the cartridge was sent back to SawStop and they determined that it was indeed defective, I could see the member not being responsible for the dues.
However, 99% of the time, this is not the case, as it is almost always due to user error (miter gauge stop being too close to the blade, green lumber, flesh contact, etc.).
According to [this page on the DMS Wiki] (SawStop ICS73230-52 - Dallas Makerspace) (courtesy of a Google search):
The contribution amount for tripping the SawStop via a false trigger is $100. You can use the QR code located by the sanding station or drop cash in the contribution box in the Woodshop.
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The key phrase here is “false trigger”
Sounds like this was a legit trigger to me.
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That was my understanding too. If that changed I’m unaware of it. But admittedly I don’t frequent the woodshop that often.
I know we wanted to encourage people to use the saw stop versus the traditional table saw we used to have. I thought the reasoning was leadership was worried that people who couldn’t afford a $100 cartridge would choose to use the regular table saw and then we’d have a bigger issue to deal with.
Searching talk provides plenty of threads that stat the same thing you wrote. Basically if you used material on the no-go list you’re on the hook for the cartridge. If you got a finger saved you aren’t.
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This wiki page is incorrect and out of date. The last update was in 2018 and the policy has changed since then. Currently, if the SawStop is tripped for any reason (except possibly due to manufacturer defect), the member that triggered the brake is responsible for paying 100 dollars to offset the cost of a replacement cartridge.
https://source.dallasmakerspace.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=26419727
From the page:
- If a member triggers the Sawstop brake, they are responsible for notifying the woodshop chair, and donating $100 to help cover a portion of the cost for replacing the brake and blade. Fee may be waived at discretion of the Woodshop Chair.
Well that’s 100% news to me. Do you have a link to the committee meeting minutes where the vote took place (or happen to know the date of the meeting - I should be able to find them myself with that)?
I’m not sure how a member would know the wiki was out of date. We seem to have a lot of differing rule sets laying about out there. I must have missed the talk post last February about the change. That’s my bad
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In this case the fee has been waived. The user was operating in an unsafe manner, but hopefully has learned their lesson. The same Saw Stop (Powermatic replacement) has been triggered twice by fingers in the last ninety-days. Could you imagine if we still had the old Powermatic installed? We would then be discussing how it was irresponsible for us not to have upgraded to the safer saw, and how we would have saved two members from serious injury. At this point, we are averaging a cost of around $4500 per finger saved. Some Orthopedic surgeon has missed a coupe of nice cases this year.
When you do the math in Woodshop, between the sheer number of serious tools, types of operations, and volume of inexperienced users, we always seem to be behind in some area. As a committee, we are always balancing our volunteer time between keeping what we have afloat, and trying to create engaging opportunities for our membership. This is why we are always on the hunt for quality people to join our member support staff. Roles like admin, training development, tool support, leading workshops, and teaching classes. Yea, here’s looking at you @ladysandry. 
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Assume the wiki is out of date.
There should be a tag at the top of the page advising the info has been moved, too, but even without that, base assumption that there’s a newer posting on Source is good practice.
Oh for sure, the saw stop is way safer!
In regards to that emoji, I’ll think about it, I’m currently swamped by Christmas presents and activities 
When I read above about the accident prevented it gave me goosebumps all over and I was so thankful that we have safe tools like the SawStops.
Kudos to the committee for making both SawStops a reality and taking the guff that has been dished out by those who felt they weren’t necessary.
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