Let’s be honest, that’s just the Dallas Makerspace mo.
So what is the goal of this post?
If it is to inform, then who benefits from this information?
If it is to thank, then why not thank directly?
If it is to shame or gloat, then why engage in this banter rather than settle your victory with grace?
Andrew LeCody is a good man and I see no reason why you nor other people in this chat can’t simply behave in a way that is conducive to solidarity. Complaining about someone behind their back is one thing, but open provocation both must be necessary and in the furtherance of DMS’s strategic goals. Losing anyone in this chat would be a hit to DMS overall, regardless of the personal, temporary psychological benefit it may bring to certain members.
While I respect everyone in this chat (including Kris), I simply can’t see how this post can be viewed in a positive light. Suppose we wanted to give Kris the benefit of the doubt, could you drum up a believable account for why the original post was made that does not involve malice or gloating? It would certainly take a more intelligent man than myself to do so. To my knowledge, Kris is neither a journalist nor an anchor, so why is she recounting events and why these events rather than some other event? Who benefits from this post? A brag is the most generous way you could interpret this post and I hope that everyone here can set aside their differences and just get along.
I think everyone in this thread is a good person and it greatly frustrates me to see that good people are needlessly provoking each other.
Usually, a victor can choose how they want to win. No fight is as simple as “winning” or “losing”. There is a right way to win and a wrong way to win, even if we suppose that the opposition is in the wrong. Andrew LeCody seems to be implying that the defendants chose the wrong way to win, which I think is a philosophically defensible position (though highly debatable). I can honestly see the argument from both sides and thus feel sad that such a situation had occurred. My initial instincts when faced with harsh situation is to behave in a cruel manner, so I often feel a need to make a conscious effort to be more merciful than I may feel necessary. Given that, I would’ve probably chosen to just give the apology after much reflection.
Hardly anyone goes through the wildcard that is the American legal system unless they feel truly damaged and hurt by the actions of the defendants. The mere fact that this actually went to court indicates to me that Andrew felt strongly about the matter. No machiavellian would get into a fight like this and try to settle with a mere apology and $0. So why not apologize, at the very least?
There might be facts that could change my mind on this, but they have not been mentioned and thus I doubt that they are there.
An insincere apology is worse than useless.
Regardless of opinions, this case was dismissed with prejudice in favor of our duly elected Dallas Makerspace leadership. The verdict was a court justified sanction to the effect of an abuse of our legal process. This was to send a message. And personally, the message I deduced when I learned of this verdict was that opposing the decisions of our duly elected Dallas Makerspace leadership should never justify abusing our legal system with frivolous lawsuits to support our own damaged egos and personal agendas.
For nearly a decade, there has been very little for any of our duly elected Dallas Makerspace leadership to apologize for. They each acted and voted in the interest of Dallas Makerspace. Everyone who has ever volunteered in service to our membership has sacrificed their time and mental health to keep things moving forward. And every year, our duly elected Dallas Makerspace leadership should be held accountable for the decisions they make. But, we must be absolutely sure that the manner in which we hold them accountable is honest and untangled from our own fragile egos.
I’m begging everyone to stop this destructive nonsense. We are better than this! Let us all please move forward and forgive one another. Our creative energies can be used to rebuild bridges to support our damaged friendships. I believe we will learn from our mistakes and become a better community of artists, engineers, makers, and thinkers.
At various points in our history, I like to think that Dallas Makerspace has made an effort to become the most accepting, tolerant, and diverse community on the planet. I’d like to be able to brag about that someday and it actually be true.
This thread does nothing but further inflame relationships at DMS.
@Team_Moderators, can you please close it?
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It serves to inform that all parties involved are again eligible to hold leadership positions.
Whether or not it belong on talk I think should depends on 2 things, is it relevant and does it violate a user agreement. Unfortunately I think the precedent has been set that if the right person’s feelings are hurt or a few people coordinate flagging, nothing else matters.
About all you need to know is “dismissed with prejudice”. That pretty much covers it.
I’m going to guess that no one, including Kris, bothered to actually look at the court records (especially note the date):
01/03/2020 Court of Appeals Correspondence
Appeal is continued
Great thread though, see y’all in a few months when it’s actually settled.
Look, y’all can fight all you want. All of this happened before I joined, DMS, so I can’t comment on the content of the lawsuit or who said what and frankly, I don’t care. What I care about right now, today, is how this feud is ruining the community vibe I thought I was getting when I signed up for this magnificent organization.
Here’s what I can comment on, or at least ask as a question: How much will this lawsuit appeal cost Dallas Makerspace if you win, @AndrewLeCody? I don’t know you well enough to ask anything other than that.
I got beat up in these threads for asking for a $400 licence to Microsoft Office to help people build job skills and support their Maker hobby.
If you kept the cost of the loss at $12k, (a number I saw somewhere, I don’t remember where), I’m sure you have enough friends here and people who agree with your reasons for starting the lawsuit to pay those legal costs via a GoFundMe or something similar.
Human psychology tells me that if anyone - anyone! - demands an apology by setting up a lawsuit that literally pushes a defendent between a rock and a hard place to where an apology is going to be seen as an admission of wrongdoing by the court with very real professional and financial consequences is never, never, not ever, never going to get an apology, because now there is no way for the defendant to save face, reputation, or financial damages.
Please, lower your weapons, folks.
If anyone reading this is feeling disrespected or misunderstood by someone with power at DMS who didn’t use their power the way you thought they should’ve, welcome to the club. No human being is perfect. We all have issues and old, unhealed emotional and spiritual wounds that we carry around with us, and we all have blind spots and hot buttons. Many of us were bullied for being different. That’s the other side of the artist/creative coin.
Everyone here on Talk (with exceptions, of course) could do a much better job of treating prople well. Our community could benefit so much if the people taking this feud most personally could find a way to make yourselves feel whole from this bad experience without decimating the community by having people feel like they have to take sides or having to make the Makerspace treasury pay for the fight in court.
Open offer: If you want me to listen to what you have to say in person with an open heart and an open mind, please reach out.
On a side note, @AndrewLeCody, If you need help paying for chemo, and you start a GoFundMe specifically for your chemo, I’ll contribute. As a fellow cancer survivor, hear my heart when I tell you toxic stress is carcinogenic. We survivors need to surround ourselves with love and kindness and put out into the world what we need to get back.
There is so much passive-aggressive bad blood here that needs healing. People who are hurting hurt other people, that’s a fact.
$0 because I didn’t sue DMS.
It’s my understanding that suing people acting in accordance with their official role is going to make the organization responsible.
Otherwise, there’s too much risk to be an officer/director and very few people would want to take that risk.
Why is this funny? There’s nothing funny about a fight that wrecks a community.
Your understanding is wrong.
I’d like to motion this thread get closed. Please.
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