I can confim that the dust collector on the mutlicam is a Delta 50-760.
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Like @TBJK, Iâm also not a fan of the saw stop. In our use of the system, we had multiple instances of the saw stop firing due to malfunction, when we were effectively doing everything correctly. Secondly, the saw stop has a very common false positive failure state of damp wood or conductive material in or on wood being cut on the saw.
These common false positive scenario added with the malfunctions have lead to my decision to also not use the Saw Stop for my projects. I donât want to take on the financial burden of repairing saw blades and replacing the safety cartridge do to malfunction or common false positive firing of the safety system. While I do value the possibility of the saw stop saving members from possible injury due to negligent hand placement while cutting. I find the implementation very lacking and actually becoming more of a problem in our environment and use at DMS.
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I would like to add my voice to those not in favor of a second SawStop. I cut quite a bit of Baltic birch that has been cut first with a laser. It is my understanding that the laser char can trigger the brake under the right (wrong?) circumstances. Also, there is a need for a place to cut higher moisture content wood. If something is a bit too green for the SawStop, you still need a tool that can be used. That said, I do think the SawStop is a good item for the space and should be the saw of choice for inexperienced woodworkers.
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Disarming wasnât in my Woodshop 101 to the best of my memory. Would like to know if that is a possibility and how to do it.
Functionally, yes, but operationally, the required key is not available to members. I think the biggest issue is someone turning off the safety, and not restoring it before the next user starts work. What would the liability look like if something went wrong before it was discovered that it was still bypassed?
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How to bypass the saw stop safety system. Note, if you turn the saw off between cuts you have to repeat this step. It is very easy to forget to re-initiate the safety bypass.
THIS.
All to often we forget that there is an OVERWHELMING amount of personal responsibility here. Using this machine should not turn off your brain because it is âSAFEâ. Safe or not, things can and will go wrong. Following the proper rules and checking out all equipment before use is imperative!
How many members have woodshop 101 credentials, where they were not taught to be sure that the key isnât inserted before normal use? How do we get them all trained to that step such that most of us would sleep OK if such an incident were to occur?
Zach,
Watch the video you posted, it actual explains the answer to @kbrabyâs question.
Kevin,
The bypass is reverted as soon as the saw is power cycled. As that is the common use of the tool, we would have very little chance for additional liability.
So, the bypass is a single use event that must be repeated every time the saw is started.
That I could live with. BUT it would require the key to be available 24/7 for trained users.
I would like to sing in the âNot Another SawStopâ chorus, please. I liked using the Delta. Knowing there is no safety net made me think about and rehearse my cuts so I would be as safe as possible while shoving wood toward a spinning blade.
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Delta (or similar) will be required if anyone wants to use the dado stack blades, thin kerf blades, smaller blades, etc.
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Whatâs wrong with white pine? Donât know much about different wood types
In short, pine (all or some of the woods called âpineâ in vernacular) may (or may not, depending) be banned from using the woodshop to work because (some say) they are the ruination of the machines (e.g. jointer, planer, etc.).
I thought there was some additional clarification that only Southern Yellow Pine was banned and the white versions were okay.
Also, my 2 cents, not another Saw Stop. I need a healthy modicum of adrenaline pumping through my system whenever I work with a tool that could kill me. The feeling of âoh this is safeâ can quickly breed forgetfulness when using power tools. Plus it makes me feel alive!
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Ban wood from woodshopâŚmakes sense to meâŚI think this is one of those things that belongs more in the folklore collectionâŚyes, it can be pitchy, on the wet side, and warped, but ban it? it is ubiquitous, inexpensive, and well suited to some projectsâŚ
Southern Yellow Pine is not even a species, it is a group: https://www.wood-database.com/wood-articles/pine-wood-an-overall-guide/
Yes, it is probably worth suggesting not to cut on Sawstop, but there is absolutely no reason otherwise. It also sounds like one of those rules that was made with good intentions but not enough information.
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@RoboGreg, I helped move the Delta from your garage to Ladybird many moons ago. Do you need the use of my truck/trailer again to move things back home?
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This would be a huge safety violation. Expulsion would be the most likely outcome.
What are you talking about @Kriskat30? The bypass is only temporary and reset when ever the power is cycled. Also, as @kbraby explains, even though the bypass is temporary and resets every power cycle, effectively no members have access to the bypass keys. This is a complete none issue and not worthy of any saber rattling.
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Hey Mike, thanks for the offer. The tools are going to be moved to the new REV office/warehouse which is over on Crosby only 5mins away from the Makerspace so it should be easy to grab with a dock high truck sometime in the next week or so.