Instead of arguing about politics, lets argue about something of value

Mac users require 1/8 of the support of windows users.

Is it because:
a) Mac users are smarter then Windoz users
b) Windos is a lousy operating system
c) both

Finally, Mac is simply a nice GUI on top of a great OS (unix)…

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a) Puh-leeze!
b) Actually Windos is a very good OS…in almost no important facet of being an OS
c) self correcting

Mac is a horrific abomination soiling the good reputation of a great OS (UNIX).
Finally, Mac evangelists…

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I find the value of diamonds in Minecraft to be far to disproportionate to its uses. Fight me.

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I HATE Apple… But I know they have a good product and as a company are a powerhouse.

SO… looking objectively at that article. Some things that are different about the two types of computers PC vs Mac that are deployed at IBM…

  • The Windows OS that they have deployed is over 6 years old (Win7)
  • Of the 130,000 iOS and MacOS systems how many are just MacOS, a full computer workstation, not just a mobile device

I think it is a bit ‘unfair’ to compare the support needed for a 6 year old OS or even a failed OS (Win8). This ofcourse does build a good case for Apple since the way they update their OS is much different and, dare I say, better than Microsoft Windows.

I am sure at some point in the future I may have to actually ‘touch’ an Apple device… but even then I won’t like it.

On another note… I wish Gold had more uses. :wink:

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What do you think is unfair about this?

The reason I ask is that I have always found that it can take several years of guinea pigs (er, I mean customers) using a MS OS before it stabilizes and starts to be productive (ie not needing as much support).

Heck, the main reason I believe that Mac is so stable is because it is built on an OS that has evolved (rather then be reengineered every couple of years) over 50 years–unix.

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Mac O/S: “so simple, a monkey could use it”. As proven a million time a day. :–)

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I totally get what you are implying by users learning something new etc… unfortunately, to Microsoft’s detriment, new software keeps coming out with latest technology and because the OS isn’t updated as quickly or in good form. It causes unpredictable issues the non-techie users will end up needing help with.

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I believe we are all “monkey’s”

Nope, I was implying that any new piece of complex software is likely riddled with bugs that take time to identify and fix.

Most users only use a few types of applications; email, spreadsheet, word processor… Nothing new about the technology in any of those kinds of applications, yet certain companies like to off new and ‘revamped’ versions of that software regularly and usually with an entirely (or substantively) new user interface. They do this, not because they are actually offering an improvement, but because it generates revenue for them.

Personally, I would be fine using Lotus 123 (version 1A) and Wordstar 3.3. But I will admit I am still searching for the platonic ideal email application.

Damn! You’re OLD!
Counterarguments?
:smiley:

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Nope, no counter arguments. I feel old…

Old enough that I remember using the first software spreadsheet (the term comes from paper used by accountants and such) Visicalc. Lotus 123 was one of the few software ‘upgrades’ that I found to actually be an upgrade.

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Linux = free
OSX = not free
Windows = not free

/thread

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No one uses Linux… *run and ducks

…or atleast no one that uses the Internet.

Does Android count as “Linux”?

SMH…

I love hanging around you smart/smart-a$$ people… I did not realize Android was rooted in Linux.

^ did you see what I did there…? rooted… heh.

OSX is built on top of BSD, so even OSX is very similar to Unix/Linux.

BSD is not “similar to” UNIX.
It is UNIX, though usually the words “derivative”, “variant”, or “fork” are applied.
Darwin is less UNIX, since it has some proprietary to Apple code in it, but the kernel itself is largely still UNIX. (And the “propietaryness” of that code is a matter of some debate as there is rampant speculation that it largely consists of inappropriately renamed and “commandeered” open source code, but that’s a whole 'nuther story)…

Good one!
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My understanding is that Windows network code is largely a ‘copy’ of Unix network kernel code. Which isn’t a surprise since Windows itself was the product of poor programmers copying Apple, which had slightly better programmers copying Xerox…

I think you mean Bell Labs (AT&T), unless there’s a connection to Xerox that I have forgotten…

Otherwise, spot on!
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No I was predating their theft of Unix into the max os. The original mac os was not a unix derivation, but rather a copy of the os produced by Xerox Palo Alto (the folks who invented the mouse). Lisa the direct Mac precursor was a near perfect copy (interface wise)

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