Calling ~ 2 Helpers: Vapor Hone Deep Clean & Maintenance

Looking for ~ 2 helpers tomorrow Saturday 15 March at 1pm.

@rlisbona and I intend to do a deep clean on the Vapor Hone. We would appreciate some extra hands for anybody willing to get a little grimy and learn more about the machine.

General Plan

  • Quick test - measure old media baseline time to to clean half of a rusty part
  • Drain all water
  • Remove spent media
  • Pull pump & check state of fittings
  • Add fresh water, media, anti-microbial and corrosion inhibitor
  • Check the three timer settings and look for any other obvious issues
  • Quick test - measure fresh media baseline time to to clean the other half of the rusty part

Assuming that the old media was ‘worn out’, we would expect the time to clean to go down with fresh media. This is one of the simple “it’s time to refresh media” tests that Vapor Hone Technologies recommends. FWIW - The other simple test relies on a usage timer, and plans are kicking around to add one, but I believe that adding a usage timer is not in the cards for tomorrow (VHT sell usage timers with their larger commercial production machines - but not for the DMS model).

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Do we have media? I haven’t bought any in a bit. I can pick it up if needed

I have a morning class that is supposed to end at noon. I’ll help if we’re done and I wolf lunch down.

Yes I bought media when we did the water change in January. It was on top of the machine a couple weeks ago - I hope it’s still there. I also bought VHT corrosion inhibitor and anti-microbial. That’s in my truck - I’ll bring it tomorrow. I’m also lost in the process for reimbursement and might need help with that.

I’ll send you a DM

It would be nice if the pump had a longer lead wire to make cleaning it easier. The pump has been acting up lately. I suspect that the base is stacked full of shit that it is stalling the pump at startup.

The hoses could benefit by being made slightly longer. We should probably order a replacement nozzle as well as it is worn.

Once upon a time I was trying to locate banjo fittings that would allow the pump to be fully removed. I still think that wouldn’t be a bad way. Do agree that hoses and wires should be longer

I’ll try and remember to bring the bits to extend the wires.

When I spoke with Vapor Hone Technologies, they suggested it was extremely unlikely that we’ve worn out the Boron Carbide Tip. They said to not get confused about the white plastic sheath which is just there to hold and protect the brittle Boron Carbide tip from getting dinged. I didn’t ask if that was available separately.

They also suggested checking our air supply CFM capacity. If it’s too low, we should consider a smaller diameter air jet in the gun. However, sounds like that’s not an issue any more after y’all put a new hose on last month- since now the pressure only drops from 100 to 90psi while blasting (vs. 70psi while blasting before).

Anyhow - I gathered lots of info after speaking with a sales person and then also a sales engineer at VHT.
You can find the notes on the Jump Drive
N:/metalworking/Equipment/Media Blasting/
“Vapor Hone Research- 2025 Jan.pdf”

For example - an excerpt:

Q. How tell when nozzle needs replaced?
A.
○ Carbide- Wear and tear over time w/ abrasive media – doesn’t wear as quickly as dry
○ Can get replacements, 10mm diam carbide nozzle
■ Would not expect any wear from Aluminum Oxide 80 grit
■ Boron Carbide Tip – takes a very long time to wear out
● If ran most tough abrasive media 24x7 7 days / week / might eventually get oblong but still would clean parts ‘just as well’
● Said Boron Carbide is basically the hardest substance available short of diamond
○ And that they could make the nozzle from diamond but we wouldn’t like the cost
● But the Boron Carbide tip is brittle - so don’t drop it or it can break
■ The white tip is just hard plastic/ will screw off
● Is just to hold the Boron Carbide tip in place ■ Would all get replaced of you replace the entire gun ($85) ● Ie. smaller CFM air jet and corresponding smaller diameter tip ○ If switch to 15 CFM air jet / probably want to get an 8 mm tip

Here’s the guide, but basically fill out the expense form, and email along with receipts to [email protected]

https://source.dallasmakerspace.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=26416502

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I have a morning class, but will try and make it.

It’s definitely worn, I looked much different than new IIRC it worn more on one side than the other. I actually think our regulator isn’t doing so hot. It is the house brand for Automation Direct. Air wise, the air compressor can put out 80 cfm.(going off memory here)

I did stop by today. The pump was actually sideways and the nozzles jets were clogged.

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A few weeks ago I replaced the airline hose with a shorter one and high flow fittings. We were getting a 30psi pressure drop at the regulator, now its closer to 10

I talked to vaporhone tech support earlier this week, The regulator has a small continuous air leak, they said thats normal, some of them do that. A good regulator shouldn’t leak. We may need a better regulator. I want to try cleaning it first. About 4psi of the pressure drop is due to the leak.

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Vapor Hone Deep Clean Status Report

We’re gonna claim a successful Deep Clean on the Vapor Hone last weekend.

Feels like the Vapor Hone is now running “like new”.

Improvement benchmark -

Time to remove rust from identical vintage auto brake cylinders
(Cast Iron - rusting in storage for 60 years)

Both looked like this Before Blasting

They both looked like this After Blasting

Blasted one just BEFORE the Deep Clean
→ 100psi at regulator dropped to 90 psi while running
→ 6.5 minutes
→ required “burping” the system every 20 or 30 seconds
→ painfully slow and ineffective / was worried I’d never finish

Blasted the other just AFTER the Deep Clean
→ 100psi at regulator dropped to 90 psi while running
→ only took 1.5 minutes
→ did not require a single burping
→ fun to use / was worried about gouging the metal

We think the improvements were from a combination of several things, including

1. higher flow air connection
– 100psi at regulator now only drops to 90psi while blasting,
– vs. before supply line upgrade pressure dropped to 70psi while blasting
Lessons
→ keep an eye on the drop / VHT said shouldn’t drop more than 5 or 10 psi while blasting
→ the old regulator leaks and loses ~ 5 psi → project in queue to replace the regulator
→ air supply valve in queue to facilitate maintenance
→ regulator handle in queue to allow better control of blasting pressure, e.g. for softer metals like Aluminum

2. the abrasive media and water was in a very bad state
– there was waaaaay too much media / there should only be 25 pounds, added only after old water is drained and after all old media is removed
– the media was old, dirty and clumpy
– what media was in the machine was packed in the corners away from the sump pump
– a huge amount of media was in the closed-cycle sediment basin (upper one) AND window wash basin (lower one)
– the water was so dirty that contimanates may have been ‘cushioning’ the media and reducing its effectiveness
– media clumping in bottom was bad
Lessons
→ “drive-by maintenance” → let’s find a way to run the pump 20 or 30 seconds every couple days (ie. VHT recommendation for non-daily users / keeps the media stirred / helps prevent clumping)
→ do NOT add media in between deep cleans
→ let’s try water changes if/ when we find degraded blasting or frequent need to burp the system to bring up media
→ test for water/media condition and proper ratio 80/20 water/media (simple test - needs it’s own post to explain)
→ we’re going to track hours of use (timer in control box). Goal: learn needed cleaning frequency based on DMS usage patterns.
→ be sure to spray the inside walls / the media won’t help if it’s stuck on the walls or cleaning grate

3. the abrasive stirring jets were partly clogged with debris, and may not have been aimed properly
Lesson → disassemble & clean the stirring jets during Deep Clean. Reassemble by pointing at the bottom of the machine to better lift media towards the pump intake. (stirring jets are the gray tubes on either side of the pump output)

4. the T3 timer gets set too low → VHT recommends 180~210 seconds
→ long enough time for most media to settle so that media does not get into the closed-cycle water basins
→ short enough time to maintain enough water available for the washing jets
Lessons
→ something is wrong if you keep finding lots of media in the closed-cycle water basins
→ please don’t change the T3 timer

5. About concern for nozzle wear
→ the inner metal part of the nozzle is the one that “matters” for blasting
→ it’s a boron-carbide tip
→ the inner diameter looks quite round / per VHT - if we ran the most abrasive media 24x7, we might ‘waller it out’ to an oblong shape. But that hasn’t happened. So we deep cleaners think the tip is OK.
→ the boron-carbide tip is held in place and protected by a plastic cap. That cap is visibly worn.
Lessons
→ might want to call and ask if they’ll source a new cap without having to buy an entire gun ($85)

Special Thanks & Many Thanks to @rlisbona and @ozindfw for your Outstanding Support and Help!

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It was pretty impressive to see it working that well, I’ve blasted stuff in the past where it seemed like there was hardly any abrasive coming out. The shorter hose and larger high flow quik connects reduced the pressure drop through the regulator. I have a new regulator but need to make a new mount for it before installing it. We also have new longer pipes on the drains to make it easier to clean out the dirty water between deep cleaning and media refresh.

I looked at it shortly after maintenance and it was left a mess already. I am not sure why it’s so hard for people to use the wash down hose

The downside to this new efficiency will be (left hand) glove life. As people hold their smaller parts to blast, the glove invariably takes the brunt of that.

Agreed. Although there are some ways to alleviate that:

  1. turn the pressure down at the regulator to the minimum needed or back the gun away a bit

  2. try a ‘cricket cage’ to hold parts for blasting. I’ve tried a cheap plastic one and found that parts bounce around a little too much. But I bet a better constructed metal screen one could do pretty well. Such a cricket cage would also help reduce the issues we found in Deep Cleaning where a few smaller parts got past the floor screen and were caught in the media hopper by the pump

  3. training & care to hold the parts to minimize collateral blasting (might be a tough one)

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I got a new lid for the settling tank.

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I think we might add a “no trash” sign to the lid. Not that that will help if the person is a non-reading person, but it’s one more spot to catch the attention of those people who do read signs.

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