We had the meeting and here is the link to the notes and a copy of the google hangout chat.
https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Amateur_Radio_Committee_Meeting_-_05.17.15
Doug Emes KG5BZY in attendance thank you
Doug • 12:51 PM
William Petefish
William Petefish (KF5WDB)
William • 12:51 PM
Kent Bowling
Kent Bowling, K3NTB Hangouts attendance only
Kent • 12:52 PM
great thank you
Justin Edwards
12:56 PM
William Petefish
Transitioning to mobile…I might be a min or two behind.
William • 12:57 PM
no problem we will go slow
Justin Edwards
12:57 PM
Pat Hykkonen
Froovy Grood NT5PH.
Pat • 12:57 PM
We will give everyone about 8 more minutes to jump in before we start if that’s ok with everyone
Anyone else want to check in before we start
Ok we will get started first up approving the previous meetings minutes is anyone opposed they are posted on the wiki
Justin Edwards
1:11 PM
Benjamin Groves
Not opposed
Benjamin • 1:12 PM
ben whats your call sign again
Justin Edwards
1:12 PM
Doug Emes
Concur with chairperson
Doug • 1:12 PM
Pat Hykkonen
No opposition
Pat • 1:12 PM
Benjamin Groves
KF5WYZ
Benjamin • 1:13 PM
zach
N0ZGO check in
zach • 1:13 PM
Your last name again Zach
Justin Edwards
1:13 PM
Pat Hykkonen
Nazgul? 
Pat • 1:13 PM
zach
Metzinger
zach • 1:13 PM
Pat Hykkonen
That’s a helluva call sign.
Pat • 1:13 PM
zach
Are we doing an audio conference on this? Or just text
zach • 1:14 PM
Just text
Ok currently we are sitting at 1200.00 roughly in committee funding before we spend money
Justin Edwards
1:16 PM
zach
Okay. On mobile, so I’ll lurk until I get to Dallas makerspace. In the interest of safety
zach • 1:16 PM
no problem Zach and we have more funds pending from honorarium I believe still correct Ben?
Justin Edwards
1:17 PM
Benjamin Groves
That is correct, I can give you a specific number in moment, but expect a couple hundred I think
Benjamin • 1:18 PM
Ok thank you Ben
Justin Edwards
1:18 PM
Benjamin Groves
I take that back
I have no income to the Amateur Radio Committee in May
… I think there is the $100 for the last Tech class
I know the one before it did not meet minumum number of people
and next class series is in June
The End
Benjamin • 1:20 PM
Ok very good thats better than nothing. And yeah I remember chating about that
Ok so moving on last months activities
we finished setting up the station for use short of the receiver. The desktop is installed and functional,
We analyzed the antenna and Identified a high SWR issue. Pat and I are planning to fix this on June the 7th weather cooperating
Justin Edwards
1:22 PM
Pat Hykkonen
Suggest making the next committee meeting 07Jun as well for final FD planning.
Pat • 1:24 PM
We also completed a round of General Class and testing with it having 8 total and 7 Pass varied between licenses
Justin Edwards
1:24 PM
Pat Hykkonen
So work on antenna and do FD stuff.
One of those in the testing session went from no license to Extra. An DMS member.
Pat • 1:25 PM
A full list of what all we did last month is posted on the Board meeting notes.
Justin Edwards
1:25 PM
Doug Emes
Very nice
Doug • 1:26 PM
Benjamin Groves
Dang, a trifecta!
Benjamin • 1:26 PM
Pat Hykkonen
Yup!
He did in one nite what took me 25 years. 
Pat • 1:26 PM
Doug Emes
Could we consider doing some short videos of each persons HT or mobile to give the rest 1st person reviews as they choose their radios?
Doug • 1:27 PM
Well add that to new business Doug Ill cover it then Ok moving onto membership stats currently the club/committee is at
Justin Edwards
1:27 PM
Doug Emes
Gotcha thanks
Doug • 1:28 PM
31 members and growing.
Justin Edwards
1:28 PM
Doug Emes
Outstanding count!
Doug • 1:29 PM
Ok moving to old business but before we start anymore check ins
Ok old business starting with Field Day
So who all thinks they will make it out it is on the 27th and the 28th of June
Justin Edwards
1:32 PM
Pat Hykkonen
That’s Field Day BTW.
Pat • 1:33 PM
William Petefish
Might be able to make it out for a bit.
William • 1:33 PM
Doug Emes
Checking boy scout calendar 1 min
Doug • 1:33 PM
Pat Hykkonen
I will be there. But I’m participating with three of the four clubs there.
Pat • 1:33 PM
Benjamin Groves
I will do my best - I know I have a big casino install about that time
Benjamin • 1:33 PM
Ok I plan to be there the entire time
Justin Edwards
1:34 PM
Doug Emes
I’m avail Saturday, Sunday is start of summer camp
Doug • 1:34 PM
Ok very good so we wil plan to take our radios we have. Set up will start around 9AM Saturday so we can start at 1300 Sat
Ok what do we want to use or build for antenna
Justin Edwards
1:36 PM
Benjamin Groves
You have the ladder-line dipole still?
Benjamin • 1:36 PM
Pat Hykkonen
Remember DARC will be doing dinner on Saturday evening. We need to consider a monetary donation to them to offset those meal costs.
Pat • 1:37 PM
Doug Emes
Reminder Plano ham con is 2 weeks prior might consider purchasing opportunities there
Doug • 1:37 PM
Yes G5RV and its installed on the roof. I would be concerned with taking it down for this. What I would suggest is buying the antenna we were looking to buy and using it and we already aproved the donation
Justin Edwards
1:37 PM
Pat Hykkonen
HamCom is at Irving Cinvention center this year.
Pat • 1:38 PM
Doug Emes
Sorry pats correct was just recalling previous urars
Years
Doug • 1:39 PM
Pat Hykkonen
No worries!
Pat • 1:39 PM
Doug Emes
Does anyone in the club have the quarter wave double circle antenna? Sorry I’m forgetting the technical name
Doug • 1:41 PM
Anyone opposed to buying the antenna before field day and using it for field day?
Justin Edwards
1:42 PM
Doug Emes
Sounds practical and pragmatic
Doug • 1:43 PM
Pat Hykkonen
Helical antenna?
Pat • 1:43 PM
Ok so we will go that route and I will hit hamcom to try and get it at a better cost.
Ben will you email the tax form to Pat so he has it for the purchase
Justin Edwards
1:48 PM
Pat Hykkonen
We will need a count of folks that will be on site for dinner on FD so that DARC can have appropriate BBQ.
Pat • 1:51 PM
I will send out a google form for a head count at the end of May
Justin Edwards
1:52 PM
Doug Emes
Good solution
Doug • 1:52 PM
Benjamin Groves
I will look into tax form
You want tax exempt into
ifo?
blah - info?
Benjamin • 1:53 PM
correct
Justin Edwards
1:53 PM
Pat Hykkonen
Yes sir.
Pat • 1:53 PM
Benjamin Groves
Aye
Benjamin • 1:53 PM
Doug Emes
Just need tax id number
Doug • 1:54 PM
Pat Hykkonen
Yup. Generally on the Texas form.
Pat • 1:54 PM
Doug Emes
I only have dprg one memorized. 20-0647619
Doug • 1:55 PM
Ok so Ben I will work with you to get a check covering the donation prior to the event, we will use our existing radios with the new antenna. Well need to bring snacks and drinks but Dinner is covered. Well need other meals and I will bring some extra snacks for everyone in case. I will transport the equipment.
Justin Edwards
1:56 PM
Benjamin Groves
Think I can get some sort of receipt?
Benjamin • 1:57 PM
Pat Hykkonen
For the donation Ben?
Pat • 1:57 PM
Benjamin Groves
Yeah, it helps
Otherwise the IRS might think we skipped off to Tijuana for the weekend.
Benjamin • 1:57 PM
Pat Hykkonen
Probably, yes. Will have to ask. But don’t see why it’ll be a problem.
Don’t think we could go to Tijuana this inexpensively.
Pat • 1:58 PM
Ok next item is scheduling the G5RV repair, this is already done Pat and I will fix it on the 7th weather pending.
Justin Edwards
1:58 PM
Pat Hykkonen
Everyone else is invited too!
Pat • 1:59 PM
Benjamin Groves
ya know - recession, obama, China, ISIS - I bet it is very cheap down there right now
Benjamin • 1:59 PM
Pat Hykkonen
Yeah, but with all of us drinking…
I should clarify. Everyone is invited to the antenna party.
Not necessarily Ben and Pat’s trip to Tijuana.
Pat • 2:01 PM
Benjamin Groves
Wewt!
Benjamin • 2:02 PM
Ok next is our camera install and order. At this point we are in a snfu with our camera install. The camera we ordered a 6mm was not available then we ordered a 4mm and its still not here. New problem we face is the current DMS cannot handle adding a new camera even if we can get it here. I found this out in the last few days.
Justin Edwards
2:02 PM
Doug Emes
I’m available in the afternoon for Sunday june7 or are you doing it early before the heat rises?
Doug • 2:02 PM
Pat Hykkonen
Early afternoon. Hopefully won’t take long.
Pat • 2:03 PM
Benjamin Groves
okay, tax info will be in Pat / Justin’s inbox in about an hour or so - I want to make sure no objection from others on the board (I cannot imagine why, but due diligence)
I think we will be addressing the camera server today
Benjamin • 2:03 PM
I have a solution available and can install it tonight. A samsung sds-p3022 2 camera 4 channel kit with DVR and everything included. I bought it on sale normally 300 I paid 155 for it and will let the committee have it for the same.
Justin Edwards
2:04 PM
Benjamin Groves
Thought the camera was here though
Benjamin • 2:04 PM
same cost as what we were gonna spend. It may be but I cannot get a straight answer from Robert. either way till its installed we are on the hook for it which will be months at this rate.
Justin Edwards
2:05 PM
Benjamin Groves
what about the one that is ordered?
Benjamin • 2:05 PM
arent not are
Justin Edwards
2:06 PM
doctorsnaketown
Benjamin Groves
I gotta go ghost for a bit - get ready for the BOD meeting
Benjamin • 2:07 PM
I cannot get a straight answer on if it is ordered or not. The one that was supposed to go to us I have been told is going to metal and wood. Plus with it being a 4mm we aren’t sure it will fit the need the parameters we want it to cover, being able to see the frequency display
Justin Edwards
2:07 PM
Benjamin Groves
Talk with Robert and Brooks - They handle that aspect and they will be around shortly.
Email if you need, pull me in if you need.
Benjamin • 2:08 PM
I have already for the last month now. My solution for now is to get a camera in and working and then if this camera gets in and the DMS system gets upgraded so it can be installed then we will get it as well and shift these cameras to another use. We have been considering setting up weather watch cameras on the roof that this system can be moved to.
Brooks says its ordered but a month and a half out plus time to get the blue iris system capable of handling its install as it currently cannot.
Justin Edwards
2:13 PM
Pat Hykkonen
Rcvd tax id info. Thanks, Ben!
Pat • 2:14 PM
Anyone opposed to installing this set up for now and using it in another form in a couple months once we test and install the camera on order
Justin Edwards
2:14 PM
Doug Emes
Go forward justin, I agree
Doug • 2:15 PM
Pat Hykkonen
Silence is assent.
Pat • 2:17 PM
zach
No objection
zach • 2:17 PM
Ok moving forward we will pay for the cameras and I will try to install it tonight.
Ben I will email you the invoice Lisa is going to pay me for the equipment as a procurement officer
desk design is next anything you want to see or change
Justin Edwards
2:20 PM
Doug Emes
Purposeful storage of binders… One for logs, one for site ops, one for manuals, etc.
Doug • 2:22 PM
Ok good addition
Justin Edwards
2:22 PM
Doug Emes
I’ll donate the three ring binders and some sheet sleeves and dividers to be us started
Doug • 2:23 PM
sweet thank you Doug anyone else?
Justin Edwards
2:24 PM
Doug Emes
Can we get a poll of owned handhelds so we/I can start looking for 1/page quick instructions to laminate
Doug • 2:27 PM
I will update the KD5MS link tonight with every radio and equipment we have
on the wiki
Justin Edwards
2:28 PM
Doug Emes
Thank you
Doug • 2:28 PM
Pat Hykkonen
Do that as a Google sheet, Doug.
Pat • 2:28 PM
Doug Emes
That or svg yes
Doug • 2:29 PM
Ok onto new business we will need to order a new power supply once the desk is complete.
To help support addition radios or personal radios being brought up.
Justin Edwards
2:30 PM
Doug Emes
Variable bench top?
Doug • 2:30 PM
Pat Hykkonen
Not variable! Please!
Pat • 2:30 PM
No we can rely on electronics for variable
Justin Edwards
2:31 PM
Pat Hykkonen
Too many things can go wrong with that. Leave variable supplies to the Electronics committee.
jinx!
Pat • 2:31 PM
Doug Emes
So 12v?
Doug • 2:31 PM
yes for supporting our station radios
Justin Edwards
2:32 PM
Pat Hykkonen
Yup. 12v 25a ICS or greater.
Pat • 2:32 PM
Benjamin Groves
Lisa cannot write checks. but I can later
Benjamin • 2:32 PM
She is using the card
Justin Edwards
2:33 PM
Benjamin Groves
ah, okay
Give her receipt please
Benjamin • 2:33 PM
Its going through my business for the invoice so I can use my card reader
and I will email you both a copy directly
Justin Edwards
2:34 PM
Benjamin Groves
thx mang
Benjamin • 2:34 PM
lighting protection I am planning to install a direct ground to the antenna
Justin Edwards
2:34 PM
Doug Emes
Cadweld or crimped?
Doug • 2:36 PM
straight over the side of the building and crimped most likely to a ground stake in the lot once I can coordinate with Lecody and the landlord
Justin Edwards
2:37 PM
Benjamin Groves
Can you leverage the ground that is already there
?
Benjamin • 2:39 PM
If your talking about welding that is a little to far path wise, it would make the antennas the shoter path
shorter*
Justin Edwards
2:40 PM
zach
I’ll come out of work mode. It’s best to have a truck shopping around for lightning protection. You don’t want that straight to raise the ground potential of other conductors.
Okay 
text to speech not so great. Direct shot
A large conductor to a ground rod just outside the building would be best
zach • 2:42 PM
Huh Zach?
Same thing I am talking about 2 or 4ga wire to the rod
Justin Edwards
2:43 PM
Benjamin Groves
[heading up to space - offline]
Benjamin • 2:43 PM
k Ben
Justin Edwards
2:48 PM
zach
Ok were getting short on time so we may go a little over 3 but up next I am proposing adding membership categories for no voting members of the committe and student memberships. I am not going to consider completely opening it due to the already low threshold to be a voting committee member. I just want to open up membership to more members and interested folks
Justin Edwards
2:48 PM
Pat Hykkonen
There should only be two classes of membership. Voting rights for licensees and non-voting rights for those interested. Getting a license is not difficult.
Pat • 2:51 PM
Doug Emes
Re: students, we should consider sponsor/apprentice style perhaps
Doug • 2:51 PM
Pat Hykkonen
That’s a good idea.
Pat • 2:51 PM
Doug Emes
We need an agreed by both parties structure to ensure student is moving forward
Doug • 2:52 PM
I like the idea of voting and non voting and then for students we can just keep a list of active students in the same membership category to stay on them to ifnish their license
Justin Edwards
2:53 PM
Doug Emes
If we have student, not sure benefit of nonvoting
Doug • 2:55 PM
So the proposed categories are Voting and no voting with students being in the non voting to minimize membership categories. Ill keep a list on the wiki under non voting that says students.
Justin Edwards
2:56 PM
Doug Emes
I guess I’m asking for clarification on why keeping track of non student non voters
Doug • 2:57 PM
We have some members who have a license but dont want to be on the committee
primarily to keep tabs on those who want to be involved.
Justin Edwards
2:59 PM
Doug Emes
So not non licensed
Ok
Another option is a revokable proxy for those licensees that dont want daily/weekly interaction
Doug • 3:03 PM
Ok so were talking about the proposed subcommittee and right now I think we are going to keep it as just Amateur Radio. We will keep skywarn and emergency services but will talk to bio about handling meteorology
Justin Edwards
3:05 PM
Doug Emes
No opinion on meteorology
Doug • 3:06 PM
William Petefish
Justin just stepped out of the room for a sec, BUT the way that I was thinking, was Bio Committee is changing their focus and name.
To Science Committee.
William • 3:08 PM
Doug Emes
Thanks for update william
Doug • 3:08 PM
William Petefish
That being said, Skywarn and Emergency Services fall directly under Amateur Radio.
William • 3:08 PM
Doug Emes
I want to join something for next meeting: jamboree for scouts. Here is a URL. http://jotajoti.info/
Pin not join
Doug • 3:09 PM
ok
Justin Edwards
3:09 PM
Doug Emes
Its in October so no action needed today
Doug • 3:10 PM
Ok very good I will add it to the next meeting agenda
Justin Edwards
3:10 PM
Doug Emes
Thanks
Doug • 3:10 PM
Okay that pretty much sums up the bulk of the meeting the rest we will passively go over in chat for the rest of the week.
Justin Edwards
3:12 PM
William Petefish
Sounds like a good idea.
William • 3:13 PM
Doug Emes
Hamcon advanced tickets end before next scheduled meeting
Doug • 3:13 PM
So the meeting is summed up in the meeting notes any corrections can be submitted to me via email at [email protected] Thank you all for being here meeting is adjourned.
Ok so we can continue talking
Justin Edwards
3:13 PM
Doug Emes
Thank you for facilitating
Doug • 3:13 PM
So here are the remaining items to go over, What events do we want to set up in the futuree
What do we want for club goals and mission
Future club goals
And what do we want for our logo design.
Justin Edwards
3:14 PM
Doug Emes
So in scouting our goal is for every boy to achieve first class, not eagle. Do we want to go for technician, for extra?
For general as a median?
For events I’d like to see about setting up a one day merit badge for radio class, similar to what happens at hamcon and what happens at the Boy Scout Museum
Also a quarterly one hour format class facts and myths of amatuer radio
Doug • 3:23 PM
I primarily meant club goals vs personal goals
Justin Edwards
3:26 PM
Doug Emes
Re: logos. Here are some of other clubs http://www.jimsengraving.com/main/page_ham_art.html
Merit badge course would be outreach and funding and education
Doug • 3:26 PM
Ok
Justin Edwards
3:27 PM
Doug Emes
I have the presentation from 2 years ago tonight I’ll see if I can toss it all on the jump server under our committee folder ( with your permission
Doug • 3:28 PM
Ok that would be good
Justin Edwards
3:28 PM
Doug Emes
Re quarterly one hour format is like a radio 101 course designed to garner interest in the DMS
Make it entertaining
Doug • 3:29 PM
Ok I like that
Justin Edwards
3:30 PM
Doug Emes
Perception of a.r. etc.
As for personal, the antenna type I was asking about was the http://www.alexloop.com/ style
Doug • 3:33 PM
Pat Hykkonen
Ah, magloop antennas.
I don’t know any DMS members who have one. What’s the question about them?
Pat • 3:34 PM
Doug Emes
If any members had one, how well does it work in DFW, etc
The portable size factor is nice
But that’s all I know
Doug • 3:35 PM
Pat Hykkonen
Ok. They are small, and therefore inefficient antennae. They are effective for their purposes.
Manual tuning on the AlexLoop. If you move more than a very few kHz in frequency you will have to retune it.
Pat • 3:36 PM
Doug Emes
Ever set up some kind of psuedo permanent antenna mounted onto a cargo trailer?
Doug • 3:36 PM
Pat Hykkonen
I chose a BuddiPole setup as my go-pack antenna. Little more wide-banded. Will cover most of 20m for instance.
Pat • 3:37 PM
Doug Emes
For usage while parked and not while in transit necessarily
Doug • 3:37 PM
Pat Hykkonen
No really. What is the radio you’re hooking it up to?
Er, not really.
Pat • 3:37 PM
Doug Emes
To be purchased
Doug • 3:38 PM
Pat Hykkonen
Might think of something like a screwdriver antenna to mount on a trailer semi-permanently.
That opens up the options. Take a look at the Yaesu all-band-all-mode rigs and their ATAS120 screwdriver antenna.
If you want to see one in action I can show you. I have a Yaesu FT-100 with the ATAS-120 in the truck. Covers 40m-70cm.
Pat • 3:39 PM
Doug Emes
Something for boy scout campouts when we are not at certain BSA properties. Each ranger is supposed to be licensed and most camps have a transmission station
Doug • 3:39 PM
Pat Hykkonen
Again, due to size very inefficient antenna system. But it makes contacts!
Pat • 3:39 PM
Doug Emes
Is it $150 <= radio transceiver <= $500?
Doug • 3:40 PM
Pat Hykkonen
Sadly, no. Stand by for links…
Yaesu FT-857 … http://www.hamradio.com/detail.cfm?pid=H0-007098
ATAS-120 … http://www.hamradio.com/detail.cfm?pid=H0-006315#results
Those are new prices. Used would be less expensive, but still not within the stated price range. For example, the FT-100 I have in the truck is >15y old but still commands $400-600 in the used market depending on condition.
Pat • 3:43 PM
Doug Emes
Ok so would take a fundraising opportunity for the troop.
Thanks
Doug • 3:44 PM
Pat Hykkonen
Welcome! Happy to help!
As a suggestion. Might also just approach dealers and see if they will strike a deal for the troop.
If you don’t ask, they can’t say yes! 
Pat • 3:45 PM
Doug Emes
Any current members regular users of echolink? Only person I find on it is Melissa raaumussen, er now Melissa hussel
Doug • 3:45 PM
Pat Hykkonen
I’ve used EL from time to time when I’m out of town. Or to listen, but not a regular user.
Pat • 3:46 PM
Pat Hykkonen
Doug Emes
Oh I’ll be in uniform at h com with my radio operator patch sewn on
On another note, how about a group field trip to the outlet in Plano or to one of our neighbor clubs like PARC or the Garland one
Outreach plus “alliance” building
Alright time to wash some dishes I’ll ping the hangout once I’ve uploaded the files
Doug • 4:03 PM
Ok were in the board meeting
Justin Edwards
4:04 PM
Doug Emes
I figured no worries
Wife is on me to do chores anyway
Doug • 4:05 PM
lol
Justin Edwards
4:08 PM
Doug Emes
Ben you should have the invoice